Black People : Is death a harm (to the deceased)

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  1. African_Prince

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    I would argue that a death which involved no psychological or physical stress (ie. being quickly killed in your sleep or shot in the back of your head if you never saw it coming) would not be a harm, although it would still be unkind to kill someone without causing them stress since you would be depriving them of all the happiness they would have otherwise experienced. In my view, only stress is 'harmful', only happiness and the absence of stress are 'beneficial'. Being dead (unconscious) is neither good or bad, in my opinion, it's of neutral value.

    What do you think?
     
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    Do you assume that;

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    lived stress free lives?

    And where would we all be if they sought "the absence of stress"?

    If one hates to do push ups,
    start at the beginning of a year and do one,
    and then add one each day

    so by the end of a year one will be doing? how many?


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    There's no contradiction in saying that stress can be instrumentally beneficial and saying that it is intrinsically harmful.

    Besides, I'm only asking whether or not death or anything that doesn't have a negative effect on one's emotional state of mind can be considered 'harmful'.
     
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    Ecclesiastes 9:
    [5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
    [6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
    [10] Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


    Ecclesiastes 12:
    [7] Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
     
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    That's surprising. I thought Christians believed that the deceased went immediately to heaven or hell? Or does that only happen once the rapture occurs?
     
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    Where Do You Go When You Die?
    This Study Examines What the Bible Has to Say About Life After Death

    Aug 3, 2008 Tammie Burak

    The Bible is clear about what happens when a person dies. The Bible teaches there is no consciousness after death.

    What does the Bible teach about what happens when a person dies? Do good people go to heaven when they die? Do bad people go straight to hell? Can the dead rise up and haunt houses and other places?

    Where Does a Person Go at Death?
    The Bible does not teach that the soul continues to exist on some other plane when a person dies. Speaking of the judgment, Jesus said, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” Jesus obviously looked forward to a time of judgment which had not yet taken place. He said that the dead were in their graves waiting till that day.

    In Acts 2:29 Peter is recorded as saying of David, “he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.” In verse 34 he adds, “For David is not ascended into the heavens.” Job expected to go to his grave at his death, as well. “If I wait, the grave is mine house.” Job 17:13. He did not expect to go to some other place. The Bible does not teach that people go into another realm of existence when they die.


    http://www.suite101.com/content/where-do-you-go-when-you-die-a62877
     
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    While some may say it's not or considered harmful , others would say yes any form
    of death is harmful maybe not to that one who died but upon the living !
     
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