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Black nationalists etc.?!?
Past tense, as far as the typical black person etc. I come into contact with, also above and beyond this--'we need another group like the Panthers', no or few fond memories of their earlier contacts with the RNA etc
Flashforward and it is about whatver they feel about Jesse or Farrakan and nowadays Obama....
But Brother, that is the whole issue here. We are Africans. As such we can no longer afford to limit ourselves to parameters establsihed by the white power sturcture. The African Nation is a huge nation second only to the Chinese nation, perhaps. Within the African Nation are many, many great leaders, not just Jesse, Farakhan or Obama or any other personality limited to the USA or the African Diaspora in general. We need to learn to think big because our problems as a people are BIG. As Malcolm has made clear, we cannot solve our problems here in America without linking it to the problems of Africans everywhere. That is because the problem is America is the race problem. Therefore, for example, when Somali refugees come here we find ourselves concerned with the conflict in Somalia. Yet, the "black nationalists" seem to prefer to ignore this reality.
Take the economic problem for instance. The west can no longer use us as slaves to do the menial labor. Therefore, we are now left on our own to create jobs for our youth. How do we do that here in the Wilderness of North America? Again, we must deal with the land question. Africa has great strecthes of vacant under-utilized land that needs development. How do we develop it? One way would be to reclaim desert lands to grow food for sell in Asia. This way market forces would not impel Asians to seek resettlement in Africa in order to have access to land upon which to grow the food that they need.
This is only a start in thinking this thing through. But, I do not see any other way to proceed with it.
You wrote:
The youth have been deliberately confused and mis-led in order to prevent a "movement" from taking hold. But, just because mind control has been effective among the descendants of slaves in this country, it does not mean that there is no "movement". My point is the opposite has been true. The question is do we want to get engaged and involved in what is actually happening.
Chuck:
I agree in general...
I disagree about the specifics, i. e., since there was a brief rise of renewed black consciousness in the early nineties, which may or may not been related to the Million Man March scenario...
Now, the Million Man March is another symtom of the problem. We proposed an Economc Development Program at MMM. It was ignored. Why? How could they dare ignore a program on Economic Development in the 1990's no matter how imperfect it may have been?
This brings us to another related issue. The NOI refused to accpet a $1 billiion donation from an African country. Can you imagine all the good and evil that NOI could have done with $1 billion? But, they went and asked the white man if it was okay for them to accept the money. Of course the white man said no. What else could he have done? Now, look at what the white man is doing: the Clinton Foundation spends most its time beggimng for money in oil rich Africa.
Look. Why could not the NOI set up a bank account in Mexico City and just ignore the white man? There ain't a whole heck of a lot the white man could have done to prevent such a scenario. All that would have been required would have been to think outsise the box, think beyond the limits imposed on our minds by slavery, break out of the slave mentality of "black nationalism".
You wrote:
Take Zimbabwe. The young people there rose up and implemented Land Reform. Where were the American "black nationalists"? How many sent support to our brothers and sisters in Zimbabwe. We all know the answer.
Chuck:
Whatever we here did or didn't, it was up to the Zimbabweans to do for themselves...
True. And they did do and have done so. But, when all of the whites rallied together and ganged up on Zimbabwe, people were starving, diseaes broke out. And the white man thought he was sure to win the Struggle. But, what heppened is the Southern African Development Community (and our Chinese friends) stepped in and broke the sanctions. This just goes to prove that Pan-Africanism is the onluy solution in this modern world in which whites always unite aginst us while using divide and conquer tactics aagainst us.
I was intimately involved in the Struggle in Zimbabwe. I did not hide behind the fact that I had been born in the USA. Those were my brothers and sisters in Zimbabwe. And, they are your brothers and sisters, they are all of our brothers and sisters. What does "black nationalism" have to say about one brothes and sistersr suffering in Zimbabwe while others lives high on hog in Mississippi? Again, Pan-Africanism is the solution, not "black nationalism".
In every day practical terms, it is as simple as buying a Western Union money order and sending it to Africa, any part of Africa. That's Pan-Africanism, not "black nationalsim".
And the aftermath of their effors etc. were what?
Holla holla...
They implemented Land Reform and by doing so, they proved SADC to a viable and powerful new isntitution and instrument for Pan-Africanism. Right now, that part of Africa, including Zimbabwe, is leading the world in economic growth.
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What about Sudan? Did the "black nationalists" support Africa's largest country against agression from the likes of Bill and Hilary Clinton? Absolutely not. Instead, we found the "black nationalists" in cahoots with the liberals such as the Clintons as they conspired to dismantle the Sudanese nation. And, the same is true in Somalia.
Chuck:
You're using the word 'liberal(ism)' a wee bit loosely...
http://www.*****************/forum/...liberalism-stokely-carmichael-kwame-ture.html
I prefer the word 'liberal/reformism', i. e., which also characterized LBJ'S 'GUNS AND BUTTER" approach, meant to appease the people on the homefront all the while advancing U. S. military involvement all over the globe...
LBJ was obviously aware of the growing opposition to U. S. military involvement via the Vietnamese Civil War etc.
So he either decided not to run for another term via an honest and sincere effort to bring about a cease fire---an/or to broker a face saving deal--which is why there remains a North and South Korea, thoug Nixon won over Humphey--and started up the whole sorry mess all over again-!
That's why 50, 000 U. S. troops wound up losing their lives (and countless numbers of Southeast Asian civilians)!
The point:
Putting forth the self serving agenda of the haves at the expense of the nation's have nots is a case study of why the nation is nowadays bogged down in conflicts thruout the so called Arab World...
So are you going to blame the 'black militants' for that too?
I sincerely hope not!
The "black nationalists"? Yes. We prevented USA from siding with Ian Smith and the apartheid regimes in southern Africa until they succeeded in breaking up the AAPRP. This happened in the 1990's. When that happened, the first thing that occured was Bill Clinton bombed Sudan. Where was the voice of protest from the "balck nationalsists"? There was none. Instead what we saw is the Unlce Toms in and around Howard University started spreading lies about "Ayrabs" killing "blacks". Most recently it got so bad and so stupid that a certain nitwit whose name I will not mention appealed us to protest against Mauritania making Arabic an official language. Get that. Mauritania is 98% Muslim. Every Muslim must use Arabic in order to Pray. Therefore, in Mauritania Arabic is a language to unite the nation. But, "black nationalsits" are only intersted in the racial twist and the religious and ethnic twist. They expect us to give a hoot about 2% "blacks" at the expense of 98% Muslims which includes blacks and everybody else. Insane.
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In Somalia, the Clintons and the Bushes have managed to prevent a state from forming for 20 years. Where are the "black nationalists". Do the "black Nationalists" want to see Africa's greatest and most monolithic nation re-unite and become a world power? Or, do they prefer to see the "Gobal war against Islam" succeed in Somalia?
Chuck:
A visible and vocal though powerless black minority within a minority has no sayso over what the USA does anywhere...
A rich and power white minority within a white majority does!
Garbage! Every USA citizen has a voice. People may not want to hear it. But, it is a citizenship duty of every citizen to share with the body politic what he sincerely thinks. That way the whole body politic benefits whether they accept the opinion or not. But, it is inexcusable to keep quiet. That is what I was taught as student in the public schools during the Black Power Movement. And, I have tried to live by that ever since. I am not ashamed that I speak up when need be, I have sopken up in the past and if GOD Gives me the strength, I will speak up in the future. The Founding Fathers of USA Constitution deserves that much respect.
You wrote:
Let me down this down. As far as I am concerned I say to hell with Hilary and Bill Clinton and Johnny Carson and everybody else who does not have Africa's best intersts at heart.
Chuck:
Uh....
Bro...
As a now famous fictional sftv character would say about Johnny Carson:
"He's dead, Jim-!"
And as another one would say:
You must master control over your emotions...
Yeah, I can guess you're being rhetorical, but let's be as for real as we're able and willing to be...
Are you referring to Uncle Johnny? Actually, I thought I was being quite charitable. Comrade Bob Mugabe called him an idiot. And, I agree: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8137046.stm
You wrote:
The way I see it, when they hurt Africa, Africans in America feel the pain. So, if it means going against the Clinton wing of ther Dummy-cratic Party, so be it. What we really need is a politcal party that does not seek to compromise the best interests of Africans all over the world. This is what the AAPRP was menat to be. Do "black nationalists" support the AAPRP? What about the Popular Front for Pan-Africanism? What about the Front for the Unification & Development of Africa & Arabia? We all know the answers to the questions.
Chuck:
From my own earlier days as a young would be activist to the All African Peoples Revolutionary Party's efforts?
Let us admit that we did and do get sidetracked, i. e., because of the shortsightedness of a few--here--who were not truly in support of what African intellectuals and activists etc. were about--there...
Thing is:
That was then...
This is now...
So where do we go from here?
My and the and more to the point:
We must strive and try to go from the rhetorical to the realistic...
I. e., we must start fresh if not over, cope and deal in the midst of a core of field blacks, who've regressed and retreated back to what their black forebears used to survive and strive in the midst of a white racist culture , etc., as though what once worked for them can so easily work for their descendants, which anybody with active brain cells--e. g., about how this nation has gone from an industrial based economy to its presently challenged place in the midst of a global spanning/transnational based capitalist system, would by its nature relegate us all to the status of perpetual outcasts and/or permanent outsiders etc.
Simply put:
As regards the nation and world we now live in the midst of?
Ignorance ain't 'bliss'...
And if the truth hurts, as regards the lunacy ad naseum the Fifty's etc. put forth as the Gospel Truth (heck no), one day it will sell us free...
But the choice is ours...
My point is we must start by being honest with oursleves. I am sure you remember that an integral part of Democratic Cneralism is the principle of Criticism and Self-Criticism. It was when this process broke down in favor of liberalism that the AAPRP collapsed. In order to pick up the pieces and go in any direction whatsoever, we must self-criticize ourselves. That means asking ourselves where did we go wrong and why and whose fault is it. It is only from the point of Self-Criticism and Crititcism that we can go forward from here. If this does not occur, I honestly think that the radical Islamic Movement will take over and implement a program that many of us are opposed to. For the record, though, I am not all that opposed to it. I just what to limit the bloodshed. That's all.