Black People Politics : Is Black nationalism a conservative idealogy?

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I know most Black people traditionally do not divide themselves into the liberal vs. conservative categories because Black liberals and Black conservatives still have more in common with each other than they do with Whites of similar political leanings but there's some research to suggest that conservatism and liberalism are styles of thinking rather than organized belief systems about modern politics. Many researchers believe that conservatives tend to be left-brain dominant and liberals tend to be right brain dominant. Liberals have individualistic views on social issues and horizontal collectivist views on the economy (they favor equality and sharing), conservatives have individualistic views on the economy and vertical collectivist views on social issues (they favor hierarchy, authority and in-group loyalty). Libertarians are considered socially liberal and fiscally conservative and have individualistic views on both the economy and social issues.





According to Jonathon Haidt, the two basic foundations of the liberal view of morality are empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation. Conservatives place some value on empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation (personally, I think fairness/reciprocation is more important to conservatives than it is to liberals, especially if it includes punishment and reward) but more value on respect for tradition/authority, in-group loyalty and sanctity/purity. (Fiscally conservative) libertarians (or 'liberals without bleeding hearts') tend to place little value on any of these foundations, according to Jonathon Haidt.

Black nationalism stresses in-group loyalty. BN is critical of interracial dating and Blacks who identify with Whites/White culture or don't express group loyality/conform to group expectations. The left brain has a need for structure and order, the right brain is more tolerant of ambiguity, variance, and 'chaos'. Black nationalists would prefer to see Black couples in Black neighborhoods with Black children etc., because they would like to see the world in neat and tidy, racial categories, could this be a left brain expression of conservatism? The left brain gravitates towards the familiar, the right brain is excited by novelty and variety, maybe this is why Black nationalists prefer the company of their own people and 'multi-culturalists' find different kinds of people appealing. I think Pan-Africanism, unlike BN, is based on empathy for other African-descended people without necessarily advocating independence or separation from other groups. Pan-Africanism only advocates unity.

I'm not criticizing Black nationalism, I'm just wondering if there's a connection. I know I have both conservative and liberal personality traits, even though most of my political views are liberal. I feel culture shock among Whites and I know I'm more judgemental of them, even though I try not to be. I'd prefer to be around people who are like me.
 
I know most Black people traditionally do not divide themselves into the liberal vs. conservative categories because Black liberals and Black conservatives still have more in common with each other than they do with Whites of similar political leanings but there's some research to suggest that conservatism and liberalism are styles of thinking rather than organized belief systems about modern politics. Many researchers believe that conservatives tend to be left-brain dominant and liberals tend to be right brain dominant. Liberals have individualistic views on social issues and horizontal collectivist views on the economy (they favor equality and sharing), conservatives have individualistic views on the economy and vertical collectivist views on social issues (they favor hierarchy, authority and in-group loyalty). Libertarians are considered socially liberal and fiscally conservative and have individualistic views on both the economy and social issues.

According to Jonathon Haid, the two basic foundations of the liberal view of morality is empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation. Conservatives place some value on empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation (personally, I think fairness/reciprocation is more important to conservatives than it is to liberals, especially if it includes punishment and reward) but more value on respect for tradition/authority, in-group loyalty and sanctity/purity. (Fiscally conservative) libertarians (or 'liberals without bleeding hearts') tend to place little value on any of these foundations, according to Jonathon Haidt.

Black nationalism stresses in-group loyalty. BN is critical of interracial dating and Blacks who identify with Whites/White culture or don't express group loyality/conform to group expectations. The left brain has a need for structure and order, the right brain is more tolerant of ambiguity, variance, and 'chaos'. Black nationalists would prefer to see Black couples in Black neighborhoods with Black children etc., because they would like to see the world in neat and tidy, racial categories, could this be a left brain expression of conservatism? The left brain gravitates towards the familiar, the right brain is excited by novelty and variety, maybe this is why Black nationalists prefer the company of their own people and 'multi-culturalists' find different kinds of people appealing. Pan-Africanism, unlike BN, I think is based on empathy for other African-descended people without necessarily advocating independence or separation from other groups. Pan-Africanists only advocate unity.

I'm not criticizing Black nationalism, I'm just wondering if there's a connection. I know I have both conservative and liberal personality traits, even though most of my political views are liberal. I feel culture shock among Whites and I know I'm more judgemental of them, even though I try not to be. I'd prefer to be around people who are like me.


Hmmm....This is quite a "meaty" hypothesis to attempt comparisons amongst: Left Brain/Right Brain, Conservative/Liberal, and Black Consciousness and Pan-Africanism.

However, in this "equation" of yours, you left out another "factor" ----

Black Consciousness.

So, how would you "compute" Black Consciousness into this "equation?"

Is it also affected/influenced by the Left Brain/Right Brain component?

....Are there such things as "Conservative Consciousness" and "Liberal Consciousness?"

And if so, how would each, in turn, affect Black Nationalism or Pan-Africanism?
 
Hmmm....This is quite a "meaty" hypothesis to attempt comparisons amongst: Left Brain/Right Brain, Conservative/Liberal, and Black Consciousness and Pan-Africanism.

However, in this "equation" of yours, you left out another "factor" ----

Black Consciousness.

So, how would you "compute" Black Consciousness into this "equation?"

Is it also affected/influenced by the Left Brain/Right Brain component?

....Are there such things as "Conservative Consciousness" and "Liberal Consciousness?"

And if so, how would each, in turn, affect Black Nationalism or Pan-Africanism?

What do you mean 'conservative consciousness' or 'liberal consciousness'. Conservatism/liberalism are styles of thinking.

What are the vaues of 'Black consciousness'? The values of pan-Africanism include unity and co-operation, to me this implies right brain empathy. The values of BN (correct me if I'm wrong) include unity and co-operation but also in-group loyalty which is left brain/conservative. White conservatives are significantly more likely to be racist or prejudiced than are White liberals because they have the same in-group preferences, this may explain their stance on the war in Iraq or on illegal immigration from central American countries.
 
What do you mean 'conservative consciousness' or 'liberal consciousness'. Conservatism/liberalism are styles of thinking.

What are the vaues of 'Black consciousness'? The values of pan-Africanism include unity and co-operation, to me this implies right brain empathy. The values of BN (correct me if I'm wrong) include unity and co-operation but also in-group loyalty which is left brain/conservative. White conservatives are significantly more likely to be racist or prejudiced than are White liberals because they have the same in-group preferences, this may explain their stance on the war in Iraq or on illegal immigration from central American countries.

I only responded to what you presented....

...Many researchers believe that conservatives tend to be left-brain dominant and liberals tend to be right brain dominant...

The left brain has a need for structure and order, the right brain is more tolerant of ambiguity, variance, and 'chaos'....

Black nationalists would prefer to see Black couples in Black neighborhoods with Black children etc., because they would like to see the world in neat and tidy, racial categories, could this be a left brain expression of conservatism?

The left brain gravitates towards the familiar, the right brain is excited by novelty and variety, maybe this is why Black nationalists prefer the company of their own people ..

Pan-Africanism, unlike BN, I think is based on empathy for other African-descended people without necessarily advocating independence or separation from other groups. Pan-Africanists only advocate unity.

Yes, Pan-Africanists promote "unity and cooperation."----AMONGST AFRICAN PEOPLE.....GLOBALLY...throughout the DIASPORA...everywhere there are Africans and African descendants.

Do you think Pan-Africanists advocate "Multi-Culturalism" as in Integrationism?



 
I know most Black people traditionally do not divide themselves into the liberal vs. conservative categories because Black liberals and Black conservatives still have more in common with each other than they do with Whites of similar political leanings but there's some research to suggest that conservatism and liberalism are styles of thinking rather than organized belief systems about modern politics. Many researchers believe that conservatives tend to be left-brain dominant and liberals tend to be right brain dominant. Liberals have individualistic views on social issues and horizontal collectivist views on the economy (they favor equality and sharing), conservatives have individualistic views on the economy and vertical collectivist views on social issues (they favor hierarchy, authority and in-group loyalty). Libertarians are considered socially liberal and fiscally conservative and have individualistic views on both the economy and social issues.





According to Jonathon Haidt, the two basic foundations of the liberal view of morality are empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation. Conservatives place some value on empathy/care and fairness/reciprocation (personally, I think fairness/reciprocation is more important to conservatives than it is to liberals, especially if it includes punishment and reward) but more value on respect for tradition/authority, in-group loyalty and sanctity/purity. (Fiscally conservative) libertarians (or 'liberals without bleeding hearts') tend to place little value on any of these foundations, according to Jonathon Haidt.

Black nationalism stresses in-group loyalty. BN is critical of interracial dating and Blacks who identify with Whites/White culture or don't express group loyality/conform to group expectations. The left brain has a need for structure and order, the right brain is more tolerant of ambiguity, variance, and 'chaos'. Black nationalists would prefer to see Black couples in Black neighborhoods with Black children etc., because they would like to see the world in neat and tidy, racial categories, could this be a left brain expression of conservatism? The left brain gravitates towards the familiar, the right brain is excited by novelty and variety, maybe this is why Black nationalists prefer the company of their own people and 'multi-culturalists' find different kinds of people appealing. I think Pan-Africanism, unlike BN, is based on empathy for other African-descended people without necessarily advocating independence or separation from other groups. Pan-Africanism only advocates unity.

I'm not criticizing Black nationalism, I'm just wondering if there's a connection. I know I have both conservative and liberal personality traits, even though most of my political views are liberal. I feel culture shock among Whites and I know I'm more judgemental of them, even though I try not to be. I'd prefer to be around people who are like me.

Historically speaking, there are two strands of Black nationalism.

Cultural nationalism and revolutionary nationalism. Cultural nationalism has tended to be more conservative than revolutionary nationalism in its rejection of socialist ideology except for those who advocated for "African socialism" as opposed to "scientific socialism".

This manifests also in differences within the Pan African movement on the continent. Senghor's Negritude is very distinct from Nyerere's Ujamaa and Nkrumahism is distinct from African Socialism.
 

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