Black People Politics : INSANE US FOREIGN POLICY....

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  1. writer33

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    This is my first individual post here.....

    OUR ABSOLUTELY INSANE FOREIGN POLICY.....

    Yesterday (Sunday) The Washington Post published an editorial strongly pushing US and EU "sanctions" on the Ukraine and not recognizing the overwhelming Crimean vote to join Russia.
    That's like the United States adopting Texas as a state after Texas voted overwhelmingly for it, and Russia having the nerve to refuse to recognize it, or "sanctions."

    Of course, The Post doesn't practice journalism any more.

    My letter to The Post about that:

    The Post's neoconservative nonsense "now is exemplified in the Washington Post's sudden turn to the right since Mr. (Jeff) Bezos became the corporate voice of The Post, given his Amazon $600 million contract with the CIA?

    That is a long fall from The Post's glory days of Watergate.

    From Consortium News: "Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation."

    Or from Ed-Op News: "Nazis even Hitler was afraid of, in the Ukraine. What separates the Banderas from every other genocidal perpetrator of war is this: Even though the German SS had units dedicated to genocide, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) approached this mission with a zeal and barbarity that Hitler's own units could not muster. Ukrainian genocide committed against the Poles during World War II surpassed German and Soviet genocide. They routinely tortured people with saws and axes, and used the most painful methods they could devise to kill them. And now they are back!"

    Are these the people wearing Nazi-like armbands and given US assistance that Sen. John McCain is pictured with, and other American neocons are pushing the envelope for?

    Said John Grahan of Ed-Op News: "The comparison would be just more tabloid nonsense if it weren't for the fact that the real cowards in this country--the chicken-hawk politicians who won't stand up to the braying of the Radical Right--are pushing the President to "do something" that their Fox-addled constituents can feel good about."

    And as former CIA analyst and investigative journalist Robert Parry noted: "The regime’s legitimacy comes not from a democratic election but from a coup that was quickly embraced by the U.S. government and the European Union."

    It is clear The Post has degenerated into something far less than journalism under Bezos and his CIA connections. (END OF LETTER)

    Then I posted photos of Sen. John McCain with those Ukraine extremists....

    Then added:

    As far as I am concerned, Obama needs to clean house in his State Department. Brzezinski has long been embedded in the Bush administration and before. Why does Obama keep him around? He should be fired....along with other neoconservative ideologues that he has allowed to dominate the top levels of the State Department. As brilliant an intellect as he is, Brzezinski is a poison that has contaminated US foreign policy for too long.

    As I tried to note in my letter to The Wash Post, our mainstream US media have become propagandized arms for our twisted NSA police state government, save for a few yet honest journalists who do the best they can. Again, former CIA analyst and investigative journalist Robert Parry: As the Ukraine crisis continues to deepen, the mainstream U.S. news media is sinking to new lows of propaganda and incompetence. Somehow, a violent neo-Nazi-spearheaded putsch overthrowing a democratically elected president was refashioned into a “legitimate” regime, then the “interim” government and now simply “Ukraine.”

    All deeply troubling.....
     
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    Interesting read. As you stated it is all deeply troubling. What I find troubling is the seemly lack of focus that is actually on foreign policy. We appear to be in practice. Dropping the ball and creating more strife.

    The officially stated goals of the foreign policy of the United States, as mentioned in the Foreign Policy Agenda of the U.S. Department of State, are "to build and sustain a more democratic, secure, and prosperous world for the benefit of the American people and the international community.

    The United States is not a part of the needed signatory’s to make a difference.
    http://www.ohchr.org/en/hrbodies/cescr/pages/cescrindex.aspx

    A strong nation has to be accountable and hold others accountable as well.

    We need other nations like the EU because the US cannot bring violations and be heard before the United Nations alone.

    Today it is difficult to see or find security. Somewhere and constantly we are intervening into other countries and don’t have our house in order. I am sure you know more of the nuances of foreign policy and machinations than most.

    In my life time I see treaty talks, treaty’s broken and treaty’s with no backing because sanctions cannot be placed by a nation that is not a signatory. Treaties and sanctions we bounce in the UN along with allies year after year. Never getting it right or not able to agree on anything. All the while not in agreement, arguing in Congress at home of how to present ourselves in the talks.

    Then election time which for Congress is this year all of them. Distracting citizens again with same political hot topics the have used for over fifty years like (abortion, gay rights, social security etc) that have been used as the distraction by those we elected. In doing so there is no time or desire to defend democracy.

    It leaves one feeling empty when the elected can’t get it right.

    It is hypocritical to the point that the children see the missteps and ball dropping of the government. They feel the frustrations in their households thru parents having to constantly wrench their hands to get the taxes due paid, and then turn to their children to say the table will not have meat tonight.

    This is one of the reason the youth have trouble being responsible themselves. The adults are not being responsible. Foreign policy and this is just my opinion... what about better domestic.

    Were you an international journalist? Please share more of what you wrote about as a journalist. Explain more if you will your foreign policy understandings.

    Below is part of My Signature...
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    Here is a album with songs by Marvin Gaye that said in 1971 what is still of some importance today. ENJOY!

    What's Going On?

     
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    Hodee, thanks for your very kind comments!
    As a former newspaper reporter, most of my experience was local for the newspaper in Anderson, IN, for a number of years. Then a 2-year stint at the UPI Bureau in Indianapolis covering state government, then back to Anderson as the chief government and political reporter.
    Then a newspaper strike layoff took me to Indianapolis again, working on a governor's staff as a media consultant to the Indiana Dept. of Correction where I was basically a public affairs spokesman, media relations and publications. That was an eye-opening for me. Both fascinating, and yet frustrating....about the time the privatization of prison systems was beginning to start up.
    Then a grant expiration, which sent me to DC working for a Republican congressman. My boss was a moderate, very supportive of a very heavy auto industry district and the unions. He, and the moderate GOP governor I worked for, would never be welcome in today's right-wing tea party.
    Back then on Capitol Hill there was still cordiality between the aisles. New York Congressman Charlie Rangel's office was just down the hall from ours, and Rangel's press secretary and I got to be pretty good friends.
    My days as a Republican ended with Bush, and 9/11. My thinking since then has steadily become more progressive. I did not join the Democratic Party, as my view of the two major parties is anything but favorable. I prefer the freedom of thinking independently.
    My exposure to matters of foreign policy began in Washington. Bud Hillis, my congressman boss, was on Armed Services and Veterans Affairs Committees, and he served also as a congressional adviser to the SALT talks with the then Soviet Union. Doing press relations in that atmosphere, and friendships with staff of then Sen. Richard Lugar who served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, these things all raised my interests.
    Most of what I come by now is from various alternative news organizations, and in particular Global Research based in Montreal, Canada. I respect their investigative work. Separately, I was among 144 journalists from 39 countries who, in 2010, signed a statement of support for Wikileaks and the work of Julian Assange. That's through the Global Investigative Journalist Network which, by the way, is separate and not affiliated with Global Research. Since then, of course, I fully support Pvt. Bradley (now Chelsea) Manning and Edward Snowden, and the work of other whistle blowers who expose corruption in government, and in American conduct both at home and in foreign relations.
    Sorry this is long. Hope this helps answer your question. Kind regards....
     
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    [QUOTE="writer33, post: 865210, member: 53608" This is my first individual post here.....

    OUR ABSOLUTELY INSANE FOREIGN POLICY.....
    Yesterday (Sunday) The Washington Post published an editorial strongly pushing US and EU "sanctions" on the Ukraine and not recognizing the overwhelming Crimean vote to join Russia.

    That's like the United States adopting Texas as a state after Texas voted overwhelmingly for it, and Russia having the nerve to refuse to recognize it, or "sanctions."

    Of course, The Post doesn't practice journalism any more.

    My letter to The Post about that:

    The Post's neoconservative nonsense "now is exemplified in the Washington Post's sudden turn to the right since Mr. (Jeff) Bezos became the corporate voice of The Post, given his Amazon $600 million contract with the CIA?

    That is a long fall from The Post's glory days of Watergate.

    From Consortium News: "Behind the U.S.-backed coup that ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine are the economic interests of giant corporations – from Cargill to Chevron – which see the country as a potential “gold mine” of profits from agricultural and energy exploitation."

    Or from Ed-Op News: "Nazis even Hitler was afraid of, in the Ukraine. What separates the Banderas from every other genocidal perpetrator of war is this: Even though the German SS had units dedicated to genocide, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) approached this mission with a zeal and barbarity that Hitler's own units could not muster.

    Ukrainian genocide committed against the Poles during World War II surpassed German and Soviet genocide. They routinely tortured people with saws and axes, and used the most painful methods they could devise to kill them. And now they are back!"

    Are these the people wearing Nazi-like armbands and given US assistance that Sen. John McCain is pictured with, and other American neocons are pushing the envelope for?

    Said John Grahan of Ed-Op News: "The comparison would be just more tabloid nonsense if it weren't for the fact that the real cowards in this country--the chicken-hawk politicians who won't stand up to the braying of the Radical Right--are pushing the President to "do something" that their Fox-addled constituents can feel good about."

    And as former CIA analyst and investigative journalist Robert Parry noted: "The regime’s legitimacy comes not from a democratic election but from a coup that was quickly embraced by the U.S. government and the European Union."

    It is clear The Post has degenerated into something far less than journalism under Bezos and his CIA connections. (END OF LETTER)

    Then I posted photos of Sen. John McCain with those Ukraine extremists....

    Then added:

    As far as I am concerned, Obama needs to clean house in his State Department. Brzezinski has long been embedded in the Bush administration and before. Why does Obama keep him around? He should be fired....along with other neoconservative ideologues that he has allowed to dominate the top levels of the State Department. As brilliant an intellect as he is, Brzezinski is a poison that has contaminated US foreign policy for too long.

    As I tried to note in my letter to The Wash Post, our mainstream US media have become propagandized arms for our twisted NSA police state government, save for a few yet honest journalists who do the best they can. Again, former CIA analyst and investigative journalist Robert Parry:

    As the Ukraine crisis continues to deepen, the mainstream U.S. news media is sinking to new lows of propaganda and incompetence. Somehow, a violent neo-Nazi-spearheaded putsch overthrowing a democratically elected president was refashioned into a “legitimate” regime, then the “interim” government and now simply “Ukraine.”

    All deeply troubling.....[/QUOTE]
    Isn't the crux of the GRIEF in our communities in the UK, USA and worldwide [for all of Humanity’s lower echelons] especially Africa TODAY due to the fact that all non-white peoples in general, peoples of African ethnicity specifically are STILL front line soldiers in the most despicably cowardly WAR in human History [as underlined by the mayhem in the Congo for over 100 years now, Darfur and Libya TODAY after the West/NATO/UN set up the murder of Gaddafi and his regime] which was never ever openly declared was it, THEY JUST DO IT?

    The onslaught on Africa and Africans started by the Semites/Arabs over 4000 years ago though ongoing was taken to another level wasn’t it, when Europeans got involved approx 500 years ago through Slavery and their colonial carve up which followed it, of Africa into mostly UNREAL countries, still struggling to adequately secure their borders and resources from both internal and external PARASITES TODAY?

    The Neo Colonialism of the late 20th century when some European countries gave former colonies “Political” independence [the French have rarely bothered, the Portuguese did scorched earth in both Mozambique and Angola] while maintaining ownership of ALL that they have looted/stolen is being challenged by the resurgence of the Asians in general, the Chinese specifically, which is why the current POWER ELITE is so determined aren’t they, to control the middle East’s strategically vital resources?

    To that end the current POWER ELITE have launched a somewhat desperate rearguard with the USA as their military wing which has subsequently degenerated into the ongoing European military onslaught in Afghanistan, Iraq, with [the Syrian civil war/debacle a potential catalyst for destabilizing both Iran and Turkey their secondary target] Iran being primed/next for the meat grinder/CHAOS MACHINE template which has been so efficiently looting Africa in general, the Congo specifically for over 50 years now that it was exported to Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, to systematically pillage/rape them too?

    Why are WE ALL supposed to be traumatized/frightened by the possibility of Iran developing nuclear weapons in stark contrast to the so consistently aggressive Israelis having both nuclear weapons and a delivery systems since the late 1970’s without being in any way censured by the UN or attacked by the West?

    What makes the descendents of the so despicable PARASITES who enslaved our African ancestors [and their tortured, mutilated and murdered siblings without apology or reparations to date] Humanity’s moral guardians especially as Slavery and Colonialism didn’t so much end did it, as evolve into European/White domination of every area of human activity TODAY as spectacularly highlighted by the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years now?

    How comes the openly racist Ian Smith led Rhodesian governement and the Afrikaner Apartheid regime in South Africa NEVER EVER came under Western/NATO bombardment [as opposed to covert support]; with even the UK's allegedly socialist Prime Minister {Harold Wilson] responding when challenged with regard to not using the UK’s military forces to CRUSH Ian Smith's Unilateral Declaration of Independence/TREASON in Rhodesia; with "I'm not sending our Armed Forces to fight against their kith and kin"?

    No regime changing military expedition was necessary to get rid of these White Supremacist Racist Governments in Southern Africa as THEY were only suppressing, repressing and MURDERING people of African ethnicity which was and still is OK, isn't it [if what was happening in Libya since March 2011 and is STILL happening in Libya TODAY is anything to go by]?

    Wasn’t the so allegedly MAD Gaddafi's Libya the only country's funding the African anti-imperialist struggle [Freelimo the ANC and many others] that brought 55 000 Cubans with Russian tanks and aircraft to Angola to bring the South African Expeditionary Army assisting UNITA/Savimbi against the MPLA to a standstill at Cuito Carnevale in 1987 with the ensuing debacle at T’Chipa in 1988 [where the entire South African contingent could have ALL been slaughtered, breaking formal Apartheid’s back] driving the racist Afrikaner NUTCASES to the negotiating table, which through the NATO the West/Whites, have now gained revenge for by killing Gaddafi, most of his family and his regime, haven’t they?


    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?

     
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    It wasn't long. Thanks for sharing writer33
     
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    Enjoyed the read and hats off to your very first posted Thread. My focus is this, the Crimean vote has been referred to as a land grab by Putin. Isn't it true the referendum violated constitutional laws of Ukraine, and international laws of the UN?


     
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    Hi Clyde....

    This whole Russia-Ukraine-Crimea situation is a battle of countervailing claims from Russia and from the US and the Western powers.

    Yeah, it is hard to know just who to believe. But I've already reached the point that I don't much believe a **** thing our government tells us. Not that I need to believe the other side either. But it's pretty sad when the truth is just tossed out the window to justify "national interests."

    A few lines from Global Research about this, and I tend more to believe them that our professionally-trained liars at the Dept. of State:

    Crimeans decided to join Russia. According to international observers, the referendum held last Sunday was open, free and fair. The mainstream media, however, presents another narrative. For Obama, Crimea Self-Determination Constitutes a "Threat To US National Security". To know what is really going in Urkaine and Crimea, read the following articles.
    (following are just the titles or lead paragraphs)

    An astonishing 96.77% chose Russia - 95.6% of Sevastopol voters. Results show Crimeans overwhelmingly reject Kiev putschists. Russians, Ukrainians and Tatars agree. Claims otherwise are false.

    Ukrainians have found evidence of direct involvement of the Belgrade US-financed training group, CANVAS behind the carefully-orchestrated Kiev protests.

    As the US and the European Union impose sanctions on 21 officials from Russia and Ukraine for helping the people of Crimea to make a democratic choice, one specific question arises - where were all the sanctions when the West was carrying out genuinely illegal wars and interventions that resulted in destruction and thousands of innocent civilians being killed?

    Contrary to the reports of 135 international observers from 23 countries, the Western media in chorus has suggested without a shred of evidence that the elections were rigged and that Crimea was under Russian military occupation.

    Why does Western media ignore critical information about the snipers that killed Euromaidan protesters in Ukraine? Support it or oppose it, a coup d'état took place in Kiev after an EU-brokered agreement was signed by the Ukrainian government and the mainstream opposition on Feb. 21.

    After giving mea culpas for horrible Iraq coverage, the media does the exact same thing on Ukraine. We noted last year that the American media was doing the exact same thing in Syria. In reality, it's not just Iraq or Syria... the corporate media is always pro-war, and pro-empire.
    (END QUOTES)

    There's much more. I never thought I'd find myself thinking this, but we're being fed as much by the propaganda machines of the US military industrial complex war mongers as there well may be coming from Putin's Russia. In the past several days I am being flooded with updates from various alternative media.

    And I frankly believe we are being lied to big time by the power elite in Washington.
     
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    But unlike the Right, I'll take my chances with Mr. Obama over Putin:)

    And thanks for the extra information, good read.



     
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    I voted for Obama both elections. But I'm also deeply troubled by not only the continuation of, but even making worse the "war on terror" and preemptive war foreign policy started by Bush. But I also think of JFK who wanted to rein in the CIA, enraged the Pentagon, etc. during the Cuban missile crisis because he was negotiating with Krushev....and I believe assassinated because of it.
    Often I think Obama is but a captive audience, and a president has only so much power....the legal powers to authorize, etc.....so that the real power brokers and interests can carry out, and claim the president "authorized us to do this."
    I pray Obama is not a willing participant. He's already enraged the neocons for not going to war with Syria and with Iran as an ultimate objective, kissing up to Israel. And not all Israel or Jews want this.
    The neocons are even more mad how the Ukraine situation has taken their war ambitions with Syria and Iran off course. So they of course take their frustrations out on Obama, accusing him of being weak, etc.
    I think Obama is caught in a very difficult web....and some of it he's likely brought on himself. Had Mitt Romney or that idiot McCain been elected, I think we'd already be in a war....maybe even nuclear.
    But admittedly, I'm very disappointed in Obama. I had expected more, and that included a more progressive agenda.
    Thanks, I'm calling it a night....
     
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    [QUOTE="writer33, post: 865638, member: 53608" Hi Clyde....

    This whole Russia-Ukraine-Crimea situation is a battle of countervailing claims from Russia and from the US and the Western powers.

    Yeah, it is hard to know just who to believe. But I've already reached the point that I don't much believe a **** thing our government tells us. Not that I need to believe the other side either. But it's pretty sad when the truth is just tossed out the window to justify "national interests."

    A few lines from Global Research about this, and I tend more to believe them that our professionally-trained liars at the Dept. of State:

    Crimeans decided to join Russia. According to international observers, the referendum held last Sunday was open, free and fair. The mainstream media, however, presents another narrative. For Obama, Crimea Self-Determination Constitutes a "Threat To US National Security". To know what is really going in Urkaine and Crimea, read the following articles.
    (following are just the titles or lead paragraphs)

    An astonishing 96.77% chose Russia - 95.6% of Sevastopol voters. Results show Crimeans overwhelmingly reject Kiev putschists. Russians, Ukrainians and Tatars agree. Claims otherwise are false.

    Ukrainians have found evidence of direct involvement of the Belgrade US-financed training group, CANVAS behind the carefully-orchestrated Kiev protests.

    As the US and the European Union impose sanctions on 21 officials from Russia and Ukraine for helping the people of Crimea to make a democratic choice, one specific question arises - where were all the sanctions when the West was carrying out genuinely illegal wars and interventions that resulted in destruction and thousands of innocent civilians being killed?

    Contrary to the reports of 135 international observers from 23 countries, the Western media in chorus has suggested without a shred of evidence that the elections were rigged and that Crimea was under Russian military occupation.

    Why does Western media ignore critical information about the snipers that killed Euromaidan protesters in Ukraine? Support it or oppose it, a coup d'état took place in Kiev after an EU-brokered agreement was signed by the Ukrainian government and the mainstream opposition on Feb. 21.

    After giving mea culpas for horrible Iraq coverage, the media does the exact same thing on Ukraine. We noted last year that the American media was doing the exact same thing in Syria. In reality, it's not just Iraq or Syria... the corporate media is always pro-war, and pro-empire. (END QUOTES)


    There's much more. I never thought I'd find myself thinking this, but we're being fed as much by the propaganda machines of the US military industrial complex war mongers as there well may be coming from Putin's Russia. In the past several days I am being flooded with updates from various alternative media.

    And I frankly believe we are being lied to big time by the power elite in Washington.[/QUOTE]
    Doesn't anyone with even a marginal amount of rational processing power with regard to factual information very obviously have to be very careful with regard to ingesting the so brain killing KOOLADE being dispensed for public consumption by the West’s mass media with regard to what is really happening in both the Ukraine and the Crimea?

    Wouldn’t knowledge of this region’s history create a far more a far more balanced perspective of the situation in the Crimea TODAY than the so simplistic Russian land grab GARBAGE being projected and promoted by the Western mass media?

    Isn’t the somewhat emotive call to arms from many newspapers editorials very very obviously them just following an editorial directive/direction as the USA/UK/West attempt to utilize the situation/FIASCO they have helped to create in the Ukraine to bring Putin/Russia to heel, eventually remove Putin from power/in the hope of getting another weak Western puppet like Gorbachev or Yeltsin [a ploy that has backfired horribly, Putin’s now more popular than ever in both Russia and the rest of the Eastern bloc]?

    Are people in general, in the USA and UK specifically genuinely unaware of the fact that every public demonstration in ALL of the Western countries has to be approved by the police/authorities before it could go ahead?

    Don’t you all KNOW that there is absolutely NO WAY that a million people would be allowed to have the demonstration [can’t any of you recall just how forcefully the police acted despite not having the statutory powers to do so initially /eventually got the law changed so as to prevent over a hundred thousand people gathering in fields for parties/ raves in the late 1980’s here in the United Kingdom] that eventually led to Morsi’s MB government being removed from power in Egypt and Yanukovych and his democratically elected administration being similarly ousted in the Ukraine; in the UK, USA or any other western country?

    As to the so overly hysterical criticism of the Yanukovych regime in the Western press, are you all also genuinely unaware of the fact that right here in the UK a million people would not be allowed to gather in Trafalgar Square or anywhere else in London or the country for that matter, calling for the UK’s democratically elected government to be removed from power?

    How or why should Neo-NAZI thugs in the Ukraine or anywhere else be allowed to utilize violence to literally force a democratically elected government from power, do they think that we are ALL STUPID [have forgotten the manner in which the USA and the West covertly supported Ian Smith’s Unilateral Declaration of Independence/TREASON in Rhodesia and the Apartheid Regime in South Africa’s murderous repression of the African masses/or don’t non-whites/peoples of African ethnicity have any HUMAN RIGHTS]?

    Aren’t most people genuinely unaware [as I was until quite recently] of the facts with regard to Russia's gene pool still being quite severely damaged, from the 25 million mostly male USSR citizens Stalin sacrificed to stop Hitler's NAZIS in White on White World WAR II [whereas the USA and UK’s fatalities combined in WWII didn’t total 1 million]; or wouldn’t the German NAZIS probably still be running/repressing all of Europe and most of the world TODAY?

    Like most people I used to be confused/very very critical as to why the USSR never ever really withdrew from any of the countries it liberated from Germany’s NAZIS, but when I saw these so truly mind numbing statistics [25 million USSR fatalities during White on White World War II] their rationale became transparent with regard to creating the Iron curtain, and if you ever visit [as I have the Czech Republic and Poland] it would become very very obvious to you that Russia still RUN THINGS in them and all of the former Eastern bloc, haven’t they paid for the right to do so in BLOOD?


    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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