Black People : Infatuation and Political Analysis is like Oil and Water

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Enfatuation as any adult knows , is not love, but the illusion of love.
    It can and wll cloud ones mindand common sense.

    Emotions in political analysis, strongly negative
    or strongly positive,
    reduce politics to games of celebrity and personality,

    and remove the focus from what is important;

    Policy
    Agenda
    Issues
    Rights
    Expendtures
    Foreign Policy

    For instance;

    A person, group, or even computer,
    is provided with a certain sum of money or credits, for a period of years

    If that sum is given away, within the first few months of the first year of alocation,

    then,
    simple grade school math predicates that, the said sum of money,
    will not be available to pay a major bill,
    at the midpoint or end of the said period of years

    Now that is an issue that can and will effect millions

    Now regarding policy;

    there are basic "givens" or basic rights that a modern government will provide,
    which are neither hand outs or welfare;

    1 Public education
    2 Public libraries
    3 Public parks
    4 Pubic roads, bridges
    tunnels and high ways
    5 City colleges
    6 City hospitals
    7 Public Housig
    8 Fire protection
    9 Police prtection ( and protection fro police)
    10 Food Inspection
    11 Water filtration
    12 Protection from environmetal abuse
    13 Protection from corporate abuse and swindles

    Now if basic policy is changed, to the point where these basic rights,
    are co-opted by corporations, who have no concideration, for human decency, respect, or fluctuations in economy

    then the life of the citzenry may ad usualy does become serfdom
    Case #1. Rwanda
    Case #2 Argentina

    Foreign Policy;
    Wars are usualy waged in defense of a nation,
    however if wars are bsed on propaganda,
    then a fom of fascism ensues

    and the focus of gvernment becomes;
    1 The seeking of colonizing other nations
    2 The devesatio of other nations,
    in the eearch an aquisition if natural resouces
    3 The corpution nad empoverihment of other nations,
    for their strategic location , for te provision of military hegemony
    4 The enichmnt ofmiltary contactors,
    at the expense of basicright and basic services

    Only a dispassionate, observation of the facts,
    can any real analysis of political isues be made, and group focus or agendas of any particular group, can then be finalized, coperativly agreed upon for the benefit of said group,
    and demands be made colectively to politcal offices and eleced officials,
    localy or antionaly
     
  2. Shikamaru

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    Governments do not provide rights.
    Governments provide benefits and services.

    Your rights come from your Creator, not government.
    If government is granting one "rights", then they are privileges.
    Having men in groups grant or extinguish what one's "rights" are (or are not) is not a good position to be in.

    The primary duty American governments have is not to trespass on your rights.

    If you will note the Bill of Rights, there are an awful lot of restrictions on what government cannot do.

    The "rights" above are actually services. On top of that, you foot the bill for them.
    Government takes a portion of your earnings to spend it as they see fit supposedly for the good of the citizenry.

    Rights are items such as life, liberty, property, speech, free movement, association, free from harm, due process, contract, holy matrimony, religion, and more.

    Governments are a form of corporation. A public corporation.
    Corporations are a variant of trust.
    As with any corporation whether public or private, its primary concern is profit and revenue.
    Given the services you listed above cost money, governments (public corporation) have their financial books.
    Check out a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) for any government some time.

    Given the trustees of the public corporation won't be the one to service the debt, they borrow money leaving the bill for the taxpayers.

    Serfdom is a form of servitude in which people are bound to the soil of some manorial lord.
    Serfdom exists in feudalism. Feudalism is a martial form of government and class system.

    That is the primary purpose of a state or nation. It is warfare.
    Warfare is the business of nations.

    It is always cheaper and easier to steal property than to earn or negotiate for it.
     
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    i think that was warren jeffs defense.......
     
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    it is not wise to love a public official. love makes you forgive.
    the president must be evaluated on one basis, are you better off?
     
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    Source: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

    There is difference between unalienable and inalienable rights.

    Your rights coming from your Creator is part and parcel of the basis for the creation of the United States of America.
     
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    but my creator is not the same as your creator........
     
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    Neocon ideology terms basic rights as services,
    so they can dictate to the citizenry that since they are no rights that cannot be removed;

    they are services, that can be removed at any time, regardless of what funds are available.

    The neocon ideology speaks about the bill of rights and governmental protection of said rights, and then uses government con games and ruses to destroy those rights, via bills and acts based on a non investigate catastrophe
    (Loose Change)






    In Italy from 1922 until 1943, corporatism became influential amongst Italian nationalists led by Benito Mussolini. The Charter of Carnaro gained much popularity as the prototype of a 'corporative state', having displayed much within its tenets as a guild system combining the concepts of autonomy and authority in a special synthesis. This appealed to Hegelian thinkers who were seeking a new alternative to popular socialism and syndicalism which was also a progressive system of governing labor and still a new way of relating to political governance. Alfredo Rocco spoke of a corporative state and declared corporatist ideology in detail. Rocco would later become a member of the Italian Fascist regime Fascismo.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism
    "fascism - A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."American Heritage Dictionary, 1983" Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."Benito Mussolini



    "The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."Carroll Quigley, 'Tragedy and Hope'(I think most here are mature enough to understand when a term is used metaphoricaly )"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. "Adolp HItler




    Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6] Fascists promote violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[7] Fascists view conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.[8] Fascists exalt militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
    "You don't need a totalitarian dictatorship like Hitler's to get by with murder ... you can do it in a democracy as long as the Congress and the people Congress is supposed to represent don't give a ****?"William Shirer
     
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    What exactly is "neocon ideology"?

    Have you even investigated the history of these "rights" you speak of?

    If you will look at the Bill of Rights or the rest of the U.S. Constitution, none of what you listed is even spoken of.

    I guess we should start with defining common language: what is a right?

    This is all well and good, but the idea of government being a corporation precedes the creation and definition of fascism.

    If you are interested, I even have Supreme Court cases concerning the government as a type of corporation.

    We would have to dig into the divisions of types of corporations as well as bodies corporate and politic.

    Governments and other types of corporations as trusts takes some study to see clearly. But if we are talking about any property held in trust, then ownership is qualified and not absolute for its participates. Truth be known the qualified owners don't "own" the property at all.

    If you don't control it and someone else can take it away from you or you are asking permission to use it, you don't own it.

    This is actually a good point. Most people in capitalism have been reduced to credit/debt serfdom.
    Now, what solution do you propose to escape this credit/debt serfdom?
     
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    All due respect , I never thought i would see a Black man act defensive about Neocon mentality and principles, but, I may not believe in what you say but i defend your right to say it
     
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    First, you need to cease with the strawmen making.
    Second, I am not a Neocon nor do I support its ideology.

    My question to you was, "What is Neocon ideology?".
    When did inquiry become defensive?

    If you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, engaging in dilatory and diversionary tactics is not going to lend them any more credence.
     
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