Black People : In the Pursuit of Real Power

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  1. youngblackceo

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    "What's up everyone!"

    I want to talk to you guys about power and how we must develop some real power if we plan on our continued survival on this planet and beyond as a people. First off I want to say that we as black people have a tremendous amount of power we are not a dependent people by any stretch of the imagination. We have been made to think that we are a powerless people who are hopelessly dependent on others for our very survival. I'm sure you guys know that this is BS. IN order for a small group of people to rule a larger group they must make those people think backwards. They will only give them and education and believe systems that will only reinforce this intended goal. Regardless of how good it makes the dominated people feel.

    What the dominated group fails to realize is that one of the key goals in a effective system of imperalism is to make the dominated group feel good when they are not acting out in their best interests. We have to realize that this type of relationship will only produce and attitude of self-destruction in the dominated people. The results of this type of relationship is clearly evident in our communities today. People like Bill Cosby and a host of other blacks speak about this self destructive behavior in our communties. We tend to talk about the problems in our community head on with out looking at the social and political implications. If Bill Cosby and other blacks want to talk about the issues in our community like crime and education. They must also address this relationship we have with europeans. Blacks like Bill Cosby talk like what's happening in our community is only a issue of morals and standards. The main argument always seems to be if we just get our act together and act more like the dominant class act. If we would just act right and spoke proper english and pursue a good education things would be better for us. You see all of that may sound good but in reality if we were to follow all of those rules we would still be in the same position we are in today.

    So to talk about the symptoms we see in our communities as if it's just and issue of morals and standards is just as backwards and self defeating as the actual behavior that exist. The problems that exist in the african world stems from us being dominated by another group "period". It comes from the lack of and our inability to cultivate and properly disperse power.
    You see blacks would rather look at the symptoms. Than deal with the issue of power. We would rather try to convert a criminal people to the own religion and constitution than deal with the reality of power. So you got these jokers like Cosby whining and complaining about speaking better english and pursuing education that is actually only a process in miseducation. They talk about these issue but continue to fail to deal with the subject of power and how another group uses their power to continue to dominate us.
     
  2. Ralfa'il

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    Without a proper moral foundation and discipline, we as a people won't have any power.


    The question you have to ask yourself is how did whites get on top and us on the bottom?

    Why are they still on top and we still in our current position?

    There must be a reason for it.

    One of the reasons whites is because most white families families and societies are STABLE.

    Once you get the stability, then you get the power.



    When you come from a stable family and society, you can concentrate on higher things like getting an education, choosing what college you want to go to, making connections.

    You don't have to worry about your mother's next boy friend molesting you, will your father ever come home, or getting sick and not having health insurance.


    In a stable society, the people can focus thier energies on building industries, science, agriculture, technology, and military skills.

    They don't have to worry about massive unemployment, people shooting eachother over dope and women, or half of the population being incarcerated.


    We are too unstable as a people and the solution starts with building a stable family. Once we stablize our community and focus not so much on the basics of life but move up to higher goals, then we'll get the power.
     
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    Power is a slippery slope that requires full understanding. Power is the most addictive thing known to man............
     
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    Without a proper moral foundation and discipline, we as a people won't have any power.

    Are you kidding me, just by the way you answered my thread I can already tell you are a christian. Do you realize that one of the benefits of power is that you can define what is morally right and good. Explain this to me. "Why are black people so moralistic and still be at the bottom of the economic and political ladder worldwide?" The first thing we must ask ourselves is who really has benefited from our morality. You see negroes have beeen taught to be moral absolutely without paying attention to the political and social context. You know morality can be used as a political tool. So for a dominated group to just behave morally without question is nothing to brag about because you are just maintaining the power of the group who has define what's moral.

    The question you have to ask yourself is how did whites get on top and us on the bottom?

    Are you implying that's whites are in this position because of their superior morality.You know we must have a short memory as a people to believe and say some of the stupid things we say.
    Eurpeans are in the position they are in today because of their intentionality they had certain intentions and they developed a system of behavior and attitudes based on those intentions. They than impose their intentions on the rest of the world. Their was nothing moral are disicipline about that.
    When those lonely, dirty, starving europeans came to this country talking all that holy BS about escaping religious persecursion and they needed land what did they do for it? They murdered, rob and raped the original inhabitants of this country and then called them savages to justify what they had done to them. Then when they needed someone to work the land and bring them profits they stole us from Africa. They brutalized us and justified it by saying we were inately criminal and backwards with no souls. They than begin to develop and organize a system of dominance in which we are living in today.

    Why are they still on top and we still in our current position?

    There must be a reason for it.


    Because black people especially Black Men have not decided yet to seriously challenge white men and their position in the world "Period". We want to continue to believe that somehow we can change these people attitudes and show them that we are all the same. Which is BS the white man enjoys his position in the world he is not going to just hand over power are share it with anyone. No matter how guilty we try to make them feel. Another reason we are in this position is that blacks refused to deal with the reality of our history with these people. How can you continue to worship these religions so blindly despite the results? You talk about morals but have you ever asked yourselfs this we as a people have been faithful followers of these religions but yet we are still at the bottom of the ladder. In your bible it mentions that you can tell a tree by what!, "The Fruit it Bears." Black people what kind of fruit are being beared by us based on the way we think and what we believe right know? You know maybe it's time for us to start to question these institutions that we so proudly support and defend.

    One of the reasons whites is because most white families families and societies are STABLE.

    Once you get the stability, then you get the power.


    Wrong again man, I swear you got this all backwards partner. The reason white families are stable is because they have a system based on power that ensures them that as long as they are in power their children will eat first. You see another benefit of power is that you can create and distribute jobs and other social and political benefits to anyone you want. So if you have white power and your children need jobs and all the other things a group needs to maintain a certain standard of living you can supply those needs and services to your children and the people who look like you before anyone else. You can also use that power to create and imbalance where as you make sure that the males of a particular group will not be able to compete on a level playing field with your sons, and they will not have the same social accessibilty as your sons. So irregardless of how smart are hard working the males from the dominated group works he will never be able to fully function and support his family like you will allow your sons to. These circumstances black men and women haved face and continue to face has nothing to do with morals. This has to do with another group imposing it's will on us.

    When you come from a stable family and society, you can concentrate on higher things like getting an education, choosing what college you want to go to, making connections.

    Having choices and having stable families these things just don't fall out of the sky. Having choices in a particular social system comes from group power not from individuals. Do you think that we can go to any university we want know because of our families and the community we come from. Blacks have always had good families and morals and stable communities, but yet until we decided as a group that we would not put up with Jim Crowism and all the other evils we continue to face. When we used our group power we changed the social climate of this country. These schools we so proudly brag about and support would not have admitted you 30 to 40 years ago. So it was group power that allowed us to have the few choices even through it's not the best choice for us all together it still shows us that group power is what brings change and gives the people the freedoms that they enjoy.

    They don't have to worry about massive unemployment, people shooting eachother over dope and women, or half of the population being incarcerated.


    We are too unstable as a people and the solution starts with building a stable family. Once we stablize our community and focus not so much on the basics of life but move up to higher goals, then we'll get the power
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    Here we go again look stop looking at things out of it's social contexts. What you are talking about our merely symptomatic problems that stem from our domination. Look you are dominated to operate in the best interest of those who dominant you. So that social context alone is going to mean you are going to have social problems especially the dominated group. We have unstable families because it would not benefit those who dominate us if we had strong families. One of the first institutions of Africans that was attack as soon as we got here was our families. We suffer from unemployment because we don't have the power to produce the jobs we need in our communities. By the way we talk about unemployment in our communities, but we never discuss just exactly how many jobs we produce for other people. I will speak on that another time.

    Another thing power is not given my friend it is something that a group must impose on the world. Power comes from a particular groups intentionality if our intentions is to end the whitemans reign on us as a people. Than we will produce the type of institutions we need to make the type of people to achieve that goal.
     
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    You know black people have been taught through religion especially christianity. That somehow power is dirty within itself and to pursue power is somehow dirty are sinful.

    Let me guess you are a christian as well?

    The problems we face today as a people flows from our powerlessness. You need power to live "man".
    "Amos Wilson said that power means that you have the ability to do something. Too achieve a paticular end. Often against resistance.
    So for black people to to come on this board are any where and talk about our issues without talking about real power shows you how much our consciousness have been completely falsified."


    If we had power we could create the type of educational institutions we want and need in our communities. You would not have to just complain about education and you could produce the jobs for your people. This is what power does. With power you can solve problems in your communities.

    But some of you want to lay that moral nonsense on us talking as if to pursue power is sinful. But in order to serve the interest of the ones who dominate us you must think that way.
     
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    Brother I never said power was unnecessary. I said power must be fully understood. Meaning once we've fought and are successful at achieving power and we have changed our condition then what? Will we be good managers of power or will we be as corrupt as those who possess it now? The Spiderman saying reverberates the truth, "With great power comes great responsibility.". Since we are on the Christian tip, power is bestowed upon those who deserve it the most. Whether you believe in God or not is of no consequence. God has all the power. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Wisdom yields much power. Brother like anything successful in life it starts out with the smallest things. How can we have power in the board room, in the market place or in the seats of authority if we don't have it in own homes. Brother I'm guessing you are unmarried. The first pursuit of power should be the measures you take as an individual to equip yourself to function successfully in our environment. Secondly as a man you should involve your woman in that pursuit. Meaning the way you treat your sister married or unmarried will directly determine the rate of success you will have in the world. Teach your brothers the methods of your success for free. If you haven't notice yet all these steps I've mentioned so far are geared to unite our people. If men and women are at odds with one and other then we are doomed from the start. What is the current relationship between Black Men and Black Women? Can you horestly say Black Men have a good track record when it comes to his Black Women? If all we do is exploit and abuse our women then we will have no success. Beating and cursing our women out are not the only forms of abuse. If we are sleeping with multiple women, if we lie to our women, if we ignore our women's plea for help, if we abandon our women we might as well be beating her up on the outside because we are beating her up on the inside. The last thing we need to do in our pursuit of power is establish a lasting legacy so our children can inherit what we have built. Again this goes back to the interaction between men and women. Understanding that the Harmonious union between man and woman is the image of God. To have the image of God is to have power my brother. To even understand what I'm talking about here you must fear God.


    Peace..........
     
  7. Ralfa'il

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    First of all I'm not a Christian.

    To answer your question, no where on this planet are black people "that" moralistic. Most of us claim religion but most of us don't impliment the morality necessary to improve our livess, and that's why black communities all over the world are in the shape they're in. Morality is wrapped up in politics because politics-police-policies is the science of relating to people and morality teaches us how to properly relate to eachother.





    It's not so much that they are more moral, but they practice their morality and principles in a more effective way. For example while primarily target US for killing, stealing, and enslaving......we primarily kill, steal from, and enslave eachother and leave them alone.

    Look what's going on today...

    While white men are sending kids both white AND black and latino off to the Middle East to slaughter up people for their own diabolical purposes; Africans and Arabs continue to butcher eachother up and only kill one or 2 white people.

    While racist white police officers slide through the community shooting unarmed black men up on a daily basis, in those same neighborhoods rather than shooting back....black men would rather slaughter eachother up over set-tripping and dope.

    So we're just as bad and immoral as them, but we are less strategic and more self-destructive in our morality.




    First of all FEW of us are faithful followers of any religion; most black people have never even read the bible they profess to believe in let alone actual practice the laws contained there in.

    Of the 10 commandments:

    Thou Shall Not Kill: But blacks are slaughtering eachother from Watts to Kenya

    Thou Shall Not Kill: But black people are stealing eachother's land, jewelry, cloths, and wealth all over.

    Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness: The first thing that comes out of most of our mouths in a lie.

    The bible instructs people not to take interest, eat pork, ect....

    Here's a good one --- What about LOVE THY NEIGHBOR?

    We aren't practicing morality bro.




    Money isn't a problem because most black people in America are very wealthy compared to other people on this planet of all race; but we ***** our money up in the wrong things.
    All these wealthy athletes, musicians, and other entertainers could be buying businesses, factories, land, and other forms of wealth not only in America but in various African countries.

    Why aren't most of them?

    Because of immorality and bad priorities they waste their money up in dope, alcohol, law-suits, sex, and end up dying broke.

    Nobody's fault but their own.


    Africa is one of the wealthiest continents on the planet and can produce any type of medicine and herb and grow more food than the population could ever use; why are so many starving and why do they constantly ask for more aid and loans?

    Because corrupt leaders and immoral dictators who don't practice the religions they profess are mercilessly raping and robbing their own people.

    Most white leaders wouldn't do that to thier own citizens because they have more respect for other whites; they don't respect us....but they do have a measure of respect for eachother.

    Every now and then you find one like Hitler who has little respect for other, and they get rid of him real quick.


    After documented evidence of white men giving them HIV, Ebola, and a host of other diseases; they continue to beg white people for more medicine and vaacine to help them with problems that they could solve on thier own.
    Why can't they grow and manufacture their own drugs?

    Again, bro....it's a moral problem.




    The black family in America has always been broken and dysfunctional every since they broke us up in slavery and emasculated the man. From generations back there were women regularly having babies who grew up not knowing who their fathers were; women hanging out drinking and cussing, men abusing their wives.....women having to work and take care of the family while the father hung out drunk and beat up the family.

    Our families have always been broken and dysfunctional in America, but it's getting much worse.

    Atleast religion made some of our people ashamed to practice some of their debatchery, but now most of us have no shame and don't feel sorry for anything they do.



    You keep saying that all of our problems resulted from our domination.

    I agree, but it's our responsibility to heal ourselves and solve these problems instead of making excuses to continualy engage in reckless behavior. At some point we're gonna have to straighten ourselves up and establish a degree of morality and respect in our community that allows us to safetly and peacefully progress. Right now we're wallowing in our own filth and too many of us are loving it.




    I agree that power isn't given....it's taken.

    But you have to first be IN a postion to take it, then know what to do with it once you have it.

    If all the white people in this country were to drop dead today, I'd give it only a month before this nation descends into chaos and is conquered by another country because a people we haven't even established the discipline to keep things running, nor do we have the respect for eachother necessary to maintaint a lawful and peaceful society.




    Do you know how black people achieved the Civil Rights we currently have in America today?

    Through religious leaders and a deep belief in God as well as a sense of morality and respect for ourselves that united us and allowed us to achieve what many thought was impossible.

    We looked in the mirror and cleaned ourselves up, gained some self respect, then took that same mirror and held it to the face of white America and showed them how hypocritical they were to promote freedom and democracy all over the world while not practicing it at home with us...and God granted us power and we successfully gained a measure of power and freedom.

    Now that we're slipping back into immorality, we are being plagued by AIDS, dope, imprisonment, and on the verge of extinctions.....and most of it is our fault.
     
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    ". Brother I never said power was unnecessary. I said power must be fully understood. Meaning once we've fought and are successful at achieving power and we have changed our condition then what? Will we be good managers of power or will we be as corrupt as those who possess it now? The Spiderman saying reverberates the truth, "With great power comes great responsibility.".

    Brother Radical, your statements above clearly demonstrates how we have been taught incorrectly by religion. What you have to realize is that it is not the power that has corrupted the Europeans. The European is corrupt based on their own consciousness. Like I said before we have been taught that somehow that it is power that corrupts. When it is the minds of those who yield their power that is corrupt. Why wouldn't we be good managers of power?

    Since we are on the Christian tip, power is bestowed upon those who deserve it the most. Whether you believe in God or not is of no consequence. God has all the power. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Wisdom yields much power. Brother like anything successful in life it starts out with the smallest things

    Here we go again with the christian mumbo jumbo. "Power is bestowed upon those who deserve it the most". This has got to be a joke. Let me ask you this question. "Who is responsible for giving power?" And what does he are she require out of a group before they give power to them?

    Power is not bestowed to anyone are anything a groups power flows from that groups intentionality. Also please stop with that moral nonsense the fear of god, and god has all the power bs. "Wisdom does not yeild anything man"!
    You can be as wise as you want to be, but if you can't protect your best interest from another mans attack. That man could be less wise than you are and still control your very life. Your are somewhat right but I would take it a little farther and say that the most successful things in life starts out with a practical concept.

    How can we have power in the board room, in the market place or in the seats of authority if we don't have it in own homes. Brother I'm guessing you are unmarried. The first pursuit of power should be the measures you take as an individual to equip yourself to function successfully in our environment. Secondly as a man you should involve your woman in that pursuit. Meaning the way you treat your sister married or unmarried will directly determine the rate of success you will have in the world. Teach your brothers the methods of your success for free. If you haven't notice yet all these steps I've mentioned so far are geared to unite our people. If men and women are at odds with one and other then we are doomed from the start. What is the current relationship between Black Men and Black Women? Can you horestly say Black Men have a good track record when it comes to his Black Women? If all we do is exploit and abuse our women then we will have no success. Beating and cursing our women out are not the only forms of abuse. If we are sleeping with multiple women, if we lie to our women, if we ignore our women's plea for help, if we abandon our women we might as well be beating her up on the outside because we are beating her up on the inside. The last thing we need to do in our pursuit of power is establish a lasting legacy so our children can inherit what we have built. Again this goes back to the interaction between men and women. Understanding that the Harmonious union between man and woman is the image of God. To have the image of God is to have power my brother. To even understand what I'm talking about here you must fear God.

    Alot of what you said in the paragraph I agree with but why must I fear the creator. I don't fear the creator but I still hear what you are saying so why is this fear necessary? And who taught us that we must fear the creator?
    You are right we do have to establish relationships with our women that is based on better principles and understanding. But before we can do that we have to recognized that another group has used their power to create the types of ways we as a group relate to each other today. This is not and excuse it is not in the best interest of those who dominant us to have good relationships between black men and women. So if we can recognize this truth the next step is to stop looking at how we should relate to each other based on european concepts.

    I will get back to this later and I will also answer brother Ralfa'il. "Peace
     
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    Question Brother would you consider your position in life successful or failing? Also what defines success and failure to you? Don't try to figure out how I will respond to your answers. Just be honest.


    Peace........
     
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    Brother it's called a God Complex. Put in the right situation power will corrupt all men if we are not careful with it's use.


    God gives us the strength to conquer all the obstacles that we may face. Even death..

    Only someone who is unwise would not value wisdom. Wisdom helps us properly use our power. Wisdom gives us good decision making skills. Many a fool has parrished do to poor decisions....


    When I say fear brother I don't mean to cower or be frightened. I mean to hold in reverence. We fear the awesome power of the sun or the ocean but they are necessary for our survival. We also take pleasure and enjoy what sun and the ocean give us. This is what fearing God is like accept we have communication with God because is greater than the sun and the ocean.


    You give Europeans too much of your power. That's like a hurdler worrying more about the hurdles than winning the race. European don't have anything we don't or didn't allow them to have over us. We are lusting after what he has. We must start taking the right steps toward achieving our goals. If we want to stop drugs in our neighborhood we must stop it's usage and sells. The drug addicts and drugs dealer are our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, nieces and nephews and cousins. We should not fear family. But we do. Therefore we look for blame when we already know who is at fault. The question is "what are we going to do about it?". If we continue to sit back and blame others and do nothing about problems we will continue to have the same problems. When we are afraid is where God comes in. We are God's people and God don't want his people to suffer needlessly. So when we go to God for strength and direction we will lose our fear and make things happen. It is God's work we are doing when we remove drugs and prostitution and poverty from our community. Brother I say to you power is not in our backpockets or at the end of a gun. We must start with a solid foundation and build upon that.


    Peace.....
     
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