Discussion in 'Black People Open Forum' started by happy69, Dec 1, 2003.
Yeah, some people are just too monumentally dim to get through to, that I'll admit, doesn't change what needs to happen though.
Real forward thinking blacks [as opposed to blacks who just open their yap when they see something in it for themselves] shouldn't let those kind of people stop or discourage them for putting their own plans into action [or working with others towards this] with a view to raising consciousness and bringing about unity and all associated endeavours.
What Conscious Unity
And why the hell shouldn't black Indians be afforded the same rights as "paler" Indians...
On the other thread you said the "we" meaning you and I had nothing else to say to each other...( whereas, I am 100% for Black Americans to do for self and help self and each other first and foremost and ONLY if deemed; and you are seemingly for us continuing to help up EVERYBODY ELSE whose skin may be tinted-- You do your thing, and good luck--) Let's Keep it the way you put it, okay.
I suspect that the main patrons of Indian Gaming is US--- Ummph, are they or have they done anything for US? NO. And you are **** right, I do expect for Black Americans to start questioning everybody's actions and reaction... to US and start fighting for US- just like everybody else.
People of Color-- Just Another Dumb Trick.
First of all, when you submit an opinion on any forum, for the perusal of all those members who may come across it, you do exactly just that and as a member of this forum, I have a right to reply to any thread I choose.
If you do not like this then I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself.
Secondly, I did not say that blacks indians were not entitled to anything.
I was referring to the paler indians objecting to darker skinned indians applying.
Thirdly, and an expansion of 'Firstly', in the other thread, I did not say that you and I had nothing else to say period, or that I had nothing to say in reply to anything you may post in the future.
I stated this as a result of you and I not seeing eye to eye on the issue of Africans [whereever they may be] seeking aid from a people that step all over them instead of uniting with 'Africa for Africans' forward thinking blacks all over the world, cohesive unity in the face of cohesive unity with a vew to survival and prosperity, as opposed to begging whites for every little thing.
You can't bite the hand that feeds you, asking them to give then complaining about them 'behind their back'.
If you read what I've said, I do not suscribe to helping [or uniting with] just anyone, but blacks all over the world, who are for completely, single mindedly for black self determination and power, independent of everyone else so that we can come to the table as equals, afforded respect because there is no other choice and not 'out of the goodness of people's hearts', people who then utilise policy that oppresses blacks all over the world to maintain power.
Even though there are 'people of colour who do not believe in unity or even amicable relations because of similarities in their histories, I do not believe in being hatist toward them because of that recognition of historical similarities and present day realities, that does not mean I want to unite with them.
I am open minded enough to see that not everyone agrees with this view and that they are entitled to their view, we must then agreee to disagree but don't you ever tell me to keep quiet as to what I believe, just because you do not agree, got it?
Because it's never going to happen!
I never told you to keep quiet on a **** thing; I treat everyone with respect - unless they show disrespect.
I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with me or not; and there are a fair amount of people on these boards I do not agree with. I don't waiver, and I surely don't wobble... I reserve and give to others,the right to change their minds if information is forthcoming that deems it so.
We have had many discussions about Black American and African relations... I have not changed my mind; and will not, because my basis for my opinion on the matter are sound; and even in saying that I think that there can be a basis for a cordial relationship in the future; again, only if prudent to the survival of Black Americans.
I am not here to change anybody's mind or understand their mindthink. I am only here to find out what we have and what we don't as a people - and how we can survive(.)
You assume too much, and wrongly -- that is your perogative... I never thought that we had to agree about everything... but if Black American Survival is not first and foremost, it is a good bet that I will have no part of it.
You and your attitude are better served by those willing to be subserviant to you. I did not say anything about you being quiet about anything; I stated that since We have nothing else to say to each other--- Let's Not.
P.S. You got one thing right, these are MY OPINIONS... You don't have to respond, I don't post here for approval.
You are back tracking now, the whole tone of your initial reply to my first post on this thread was one of objection to my having chosen to reply, you said:
Or in other words, you said we had nothing else to say so when I post an opinion and the like, don't bother replying, hence my reply.
And if you're going to quote someone, quote them correctly.
Here is what I said:
It's not about owing anyone anything, it's about cohesive unity, I thought you understood this but well, obviously not.
Then good luck to you....nothing more need be said.
Exactly, this is a discussion forum and as such, the likelyhood of debate is high and in turn, disagreement, however I will post my opinion, just because I throw some spirit into my posts does not necessarily mean I expect all to bow before my opinion and accept.
And how so is your opinion that African Americans should do their own thing more 'sound' than mine which is that all pro Africans should work together?
I don't see African Americans any closer to achieving African American unity than Africans worldwide are to acheiving African global unity?
From what I gather, your hopes and aspirations revolve around asking whites for help.
You cannot bite the hand that feeds you, which is it, are you a strong people or a people that require others to take care of them.
But hey, whatever works for you.
AAHA!, that is what I've been saying all along, 'cordial relationships' [I prefer the term unity] IS in the interests of African American survival.
I've listed why elsewhere, I need not say it again.
And you assume that the push for mass African unity hinges on your taking part in it, also wrongly.
I know I don't have to respond but if I choose to, I will.
Neither do I [approval]
hi currentcase, hvn't seen u b4, so welcome 2 destee.
i liked the way u put that & i think u make some xcellent points. i think sometimes we get hung up on the mass portion of the term, mass movement, & tend 2 think (at least i do at times) there must b this huge outpouring of crowds of blk ppl solidly united behind some common cause. that would b sweet, but it might not happen that way.
i also agree w u that, thou u may hv 2 beat the bushes 2 find them sometimes, there r pockets of dedicated blk ppl making the sacrifices & accomodations so crucial for any durable unification to take place. of course since they fail to confirm the image of us most of the mainstream media wishes 2 present & promote, they rarely get much coverage.
n the current economic climate, blk unity, thou perhaps needed more now than ever, doesen't occupy a hi priority n the day 2 day agenda of a significant portion of the blk population, at least not that i can see. that doesen't mean that it never will. there r so many variables: we didn't all com n2 our concioussness at the same time, or even hv the same definition; even amoung those of us who consider ourselves as hving made significant progress toward developing an afrocentric worldview, unity is frequently transient, promted by emergent disasters or current events, and its not uncommon to encounter intractable positions eminating from deeply held convictions. we r still eminently more productive at identifying & classifiying our problems than we r at outlining practical solutions. still, like u, & i think most of destee's members, i remain hopeful. cautiously optomistic.
progress is slo b/c nothing is ever invented & perfected at the same time.
i look 4ward 2 reading more of ur comments & again, welcome.
happy69: hi happy. i've enjoyed reading many of ur posts &, f i'm not mistaken many poems as well. thanks 4 bringing this issue 2 the board. i was completely unaware of this conflict.
uzoka: hi uzoka, quite an interesting screenname. i must tell u, i read all of ur comments & inserts posted n the relationship thread. u sharred so many insightful, positive, afrocentric (imho) comments there that really, 4 me, made that thread worthwhile. there were waaaaaaaaay 2 many 4 me 2 mention here. suffice 2 say, comments like the ones u posted there r the reason i com here. brother, ur deep. makes me wish u weren't so far away :shades: i can't thank u enuf 4 those.
black unity, now there truly is a topic that nvr ends.
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