Black Spirituality Religion : If you haven't noticed...

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  1. Radical Faith

    Radical Faith Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    For many of you who have known me for a while now you know that I came here as a professed Christian. That has changed. I've said that our Creator or God takes us on a journey and reveals many things to us. One of the things God has revealed to me is the ineffectiveness of what men would call God's Church. A question has been raised in my mind. If the church was of God and has God on it's side then why is the world still the way it is and why are we still in the position we are in? Why is there no drastic change? Some would say the church is making great strides. Oh really? I don't see it. I see immaculate churches in rundown ghettos or I see immaculate churches being built outside of the areas that would need God the most. I see people going to church dressed up and smelling good but I don't see those same people putting their faith to work. What gives me the authority to say these things? Because I lead several ministries in which I had to beg my church family for involvement. I went to prisons and ministered to inmates, I fed the homeless, I visited the elderly and sick in the nursing homes and in many cases I could count the number of brothers and sisters that stood by my side on one hand. Now the church I attended wasn't a big church but still the only people that I could count on being with me was few people very few? As many of you know I work nights and don't spend a lot of time with my family during the week so my weekends are family time. Yet I was still able to sing on the choir, do our mens group fundraisers, chaperon our youth ministry to various events, along with the other fore mentioned ministries I was involved with. Even with all that I still was able to spend time with my family be not nearly enough. Many of my church family members were retired or had raised children so I just couldn't understand how very few people had time to be involved. So I left that church and went to another church and encountered the same issues, very little outreach in the (our) community. Church after church I found the same thing. In a letter to the church the Apostle James said "Faith without works is dead". Almost all Christians know this scripture but very little live it. Why is that? Some would say that outreach is simply not their gift or calling. Oh really? Apostle Paul said to the Church of Corinth "We walk by faith and not be sight". Many Christians hurl this scripture about but what are they really saying? Are they saying the sight of drug abuse and dealing, gang violence, poverty, unplanned pregnancy, mis education, under education, prostitution and a plethora of other immoralities that are destroying our neighborhoods and communities don't move their faith enough to act? Some would say "we pray for the world through intercession". I guess that is enough right? So if prayers are not answered then it must be the will of God that people suffer. More and more I heard these same types of cop outs from people trying to justify why they are not acting upon their faith. So if people don't believe enough to act upon their faith why do they go the church? Church has become a social event and a show. Once a week we can get our weekly entertainment. We can clap or hands, stomp our feet, shout, sing, cry, throw our hands in the air, laugh and many other celebratory responses meanwhile outside the walls of the building people are still suffering. I have not found a church yet that successfully addresses these issues. Therefore the only conclusion I can make is the Church doesn't want to address these issues on a large scale. Maybe this is why the place were people worship in the church is called the sanctuary. Besides sacred of holy place another definition of sanctuary is "a place of refuge or asylum". So is it safe to say that the only place on the planet one can reach out to God in time of need is in the Church? Nowhere else will God hear your prayers. So if that is not the case then why do many Christians say you need a covering and if you do not belong to a church then you will be subject to the evils of the world. Sounds like a set up to me. So which family is more important your real family or your church family? Look at what Jesus said in Matthew 10:34-39(KJV)

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

    38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

    39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


    I could be mistaken but is Jesus telling his followers to ally with him even against their parents or despite the needs of their children? This sounds like an attempt to replace the head of the family with Jesus. Jesus is saying forsake your own family and become a part of his family and he will be your advocate and present you to God his father. In the Exodus 20:12 part of the Mosaic Law the fifth commandment God said:

    12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

    So Jesus is saying come follow me and forget about you parents and God is saying Honor your parents. Who should we believe? We know the Church's stance on this. This is why women make up a vast majority of the congregation meanwhile the father is left at home watching football on Sunday. Women are servicing the church and not servicing their families. Even Jesus said a house divided will not stand. This is what we have in our communities, house's divided. From the very begin God created a union between man woman. Genesis 1:27 says:

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


    So the Bible says the image of God is male and female together by design. So to separate males and females is the undoing of the image of God. This is something the church has done very well.

    Bottom line is any organization that separates the family and doesn't little to nothing for the advancement of our people is not worthy of my time and effort. Therefore I not longer consider myself a Christian. I am one who continues the search for truth along path that God has laid before me. My relationship with God is greater than a book, a building or a one day a week show. For my brothers and sisters who remain Christians and continue to follow the path of the church my God Bless you, keep you and guide you throughout your lives. For my brothers and sisters that see me as one who is in allegiance with Satan God Bless you too. Remember Jesus said in Matthew 7:1,3

    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?




    Peace....
     
  2. I-khan

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    your message does not go unheard, now that I am older I consider myself very fortunate to NOT have been raised under any re-ligion of sorts...

    regardless of such, any people should put their family before their religion and if they are spiritual they should consider the effects of the family on a spiritual undertaking.....


    I am also glad to see that you have learned from those incidents and taken it seriously,something all people need to do..


    I try to get people :thinking: on some of the same things that you mentioned,often these peoples are 'christians' and I get either ignored or called a blasphemer....they say the teacher will come when the student is ready and I say that if the student is not ready show them what could happen if they are not getting ready...

    ....I know it does not just effect our people in the Diaspora but also in Afruaka,I know from experience that many peoples in Ghana and other west Afrikan nations have large numbers of Christians and even though it is a different location,the same prinicples can apply.... I also know some Ghanian MORMONS and last time I checked the original Mormons (so called prophets) were bigots....trying to show them that fact one can catch 'hell' for it...

    do you have any ideas on how we could spread this message and the realities of such?
     
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    peace......

    - a bitter pill to swallow, but it takes one of great strength to even consider taking the pill........

    I applaud you brother Rad!!


    May the 19 rays of the Sun forever shine on you and your family!!

    *7
     
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    ^5, i will sign on to that
     
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    Brother, not trying to get you to buy back a religion, but you used those lines above way out of context.
     
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    Zech:13:7: Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.


    I don’t know if you have reached the level of understanding that passage, but I would consider you to be one of the little ones.

    YH bless
     
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    How so? Please explain...


    Peace...
     
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    peace & I humbly beg your pardon.............

    have u considered the fact that maybe u took brother Rad's message, open and honest testimony to US out of context once you saw those scriptures?

    Me, myself did not read the scriptures because I had already felt his heart when I started reading..........

    a spiritual connection goes deeper
    than black ink on a white page
    this brother just stepped outside of the 33rd degree
    which is the right age
    poured it out in front of his Destee.com family
    which is the right stage
    can't we just congratulate him as you would
    if he said he was once an un-believer and just became a Christian
    the ears are the orifice by which much can be learned
    but your 3rd eye is how we listen..........


    peace too you!
     
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    Firstly, I have to agree with a lot of what you are saying about the church. I don't know why people do those things, but they do, we do, I do, then hide behind the cross to hide our indiscretions. Your real family should be the most important thing in your life apart from God. The reason is if you love God the right way(as best you can) and put Him first in your life, then you will take care of your family the best that you can. A lot of people think that putting God first means leaving a sick relative at home while you go to church. Wrong! There is a bigger piece of God in that sick room than in a thousand churches full of well people.
    A lot of those things Jesus was talking about meant that if you are a follower of Christ, your love for Him will put distance between you and the people you know, except those that have the same Christian walk.
     
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    I thought he said that he was quitting the church and that part of his reason was that Jesus wanted to take over the family, become the head. I said I wasn't selling anything, I just don't want anybody to leave the faith based on a misunderstanding.
     
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