Black People : I Wonder Where Does Descendants Of Black Slave Owners Live Now

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  1. asmith161718

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    It has been documented that there were a lot of Black Slaves owners in the South ( Moors? ). I wonder where their descendants live at now? Do they live in upper class white neighborhoods or black neighborhoods? Maybe they live separately in cities or towns that are not on any public maps. Do they regret or feel bad about their relatives owning slaves? Or the slave like mentality that most Blacks insist on keeping?

    http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

    The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.
    The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
    In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).
    According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke Universityprofessor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

    http://southernloyalists.tripod.com/documents/id12.html


    DIXIE'S CENSORED SUBJECT
    BLACK SLAVEOWNERS


    By Robert M. Grooms

    © 1997
    (THIS ARTICLE IS COPYRIGHTED AND IS PROVIDED HERE COURTESY OF THE
    BARNES REVIEW)



    In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee
    called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally,
    socially and physically.


    The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in
    fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at
    large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According
    to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War,
    there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.
     
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    The Barnes Review is a bi-monthly magazine founded in 1994 by Willis Carto, dedicated to historical revisionism such as Holocaust denial. Willis Carto had earlier founded the Institute for Historical Review in 1979 but lost control of that organization in an internal takeover by former associates.
    It is named for Harry Elmer Barnes.[1] Linked with it is a TBR Bookclub promoting revisionist publications on a wide range of subjects. The organisation also holds conferences with speakers such as Eustace Mullins and Ted Gunderson...

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    REPLY BY KIFARU ON APRIL 8, 2010 AT 12:27PM
    The fact that blacks owned slaves is nothing new, however the tone of this article is nothing more than an attempt at revisionist history. There has been a small group of civil war scholars ans pseudo-scholars who for years have been arguing that slavery wasn't as bad as eye witness accounts of slave and free people of the time say it was. Most of the revisionists subscribe to a school of thought that posits several ideas including
    A. that the Civil War was not fought about slavery but was about economic pressures
    B. that slaves in the main were not oppressed nor desirous of freedom and would have preferred to stay enslaved
    C. that slaves and descendants of slaves were not freed and are not citizens of the U.S.
    D. that the federal government constitutes an illegal occupying army in the the southern United States

    These are the people who call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression. These people also conveniently omit the fact that the free negroes who owned slaves were mostly children of slave owners who formed the mixed race class and were often times afforded the opportunity to do things that were not permissible for other blacks since during this time there was a clear distinction between classes based on color as well as "race". http://www.afropunk.com/forum/topics/black-on-black-american
     
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    I doubt it. After slavery allegedly ended in 1865 and reconstruction was abandoned 12 years later, black codes, convict leasing, share cropping, peonage, jim crow, segregation took hold and was applied to ALL black people, any special privileges a few blacks may have had went to the dogs, its virtually impossible any could have held on to any privileges throughout that period until now.

    This is perfectly understandable. Think about it, if you had been a slave, from birth as was the norm at that time, and managed to gain your freedom, what else would you know about apart from the slave trade and being a slave? Whites, even the poor ones had infinitely more options than black people who were not allowed to own, land property, business etc. So many free blacks got into the one trade they werent barred from to the same extent as other professions, the buying selling and trading of their own people. Sad but true, JA Rogers covers this at length in Sex and Race Vol 2 and Africa's Gift to America.
     
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    I think it's important to note that the descendants of Slavers are European but also African. You could say that they are blood brothers in a way.

    I remember a guy I knew many years ago from South Carolina named Cuthbertson.. his family lived in the same town as the family that owned them during Slavery. Not only did they live in the same town and carry the same name, they actually resembled each other. That combined with the complexion of the older people in their family suggests that they have a shared lineage.

    I did some writing around this some years ago.. where I ask: "which would you rather be: the son of the raped, or the son of the rapist?"
    what about both? Which way does the Karma flow?.. will you pay for the sins of your rapist father?.. even though the victim was your mother?

    It really is a difficult/complicated predicament.. and I can see how it gives way to a particular kind of self-loathing. The Rapists blood raises your status.. the rapists blood gave that yellow girl "good hair" and made her the Bell of the Ball. So should she hate it or love it? The more white you were the more right you were.. the more economically viable you were.. the more socially acceptable/desirable you were.. whereas children born out of love who bore dark skin were considered the bottom of the barrel.. so.. what good was love? It appeared that rape was some sort of social blessing.. imagine the impact of that mindfu##.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't trust any website where the table of contents reads like this: Home, Black Save Owners, The Grand Union, Ashville Declaration, The Case for Modern Secession, Confederate Constitution, Northern Atrocities, Ex-Slaves and the Old South, etc. Sounds a lil too much like something Stormfront would publish for naïve black folk to spread their propaganda around. :wave:



    BBllack Slave Owners
    The Grand Union
    The Ashville Declaration
    Names of minorities in the CS army
    The Case for Modern Secession
    Confederate Constitution
    Northern Atrocities
    Confronting the lies (part 1)
    Confronting the lies (part 2)
    Ex-slaves and the Old South
     
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    no apparently folks who dont know how to play poker, 21 or bacarat, dont show their hand if they have a losing one, they just put their cards in their pocket or pocketbook, and escape out the window, when the other gamblers arent looking;
     
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    I was wondering what happened to the post I wrote.... for another thread! (lol) But not to worry, Alarm Clock. I still replied to the mess you posted based on the OP of this thread.
     
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