Black People : I CAN'T BUY THAT !!! Pt. 1.

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  1. Keita Kenyatta

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    I read you... and I feel you, at least I get you.

    But could you clarify the "sort of", either I wasn't able to see where you clarified how come you were happy, or you didn't. In any case, care to expound on why a Brother of such intellect and keen sense of astute observation and mathematical prowess would be.... happy (sort of) that Obama won?

    Much love to you, more power to you as well.

    One.

    - Ikoro
     
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    Keita,

    I'm posting only to let you know that I have read the thread. Our conversation today, solidifies our action. Ikoro does bring a decent point which is to know how the "sort of" breaks out for you. This would create, for our Family, shared points of common interests. I think I konw about the "sort of," and its significance to you, but it never hurts to hear straight for the horses's mouth, so to speak!

     
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    Agreed, Brother Coger.

    I eagerly await Brother Keitas response, which will no doubt be enlightening.

    I will wait to add my two cents until then.

    Tranquil driftings.

    One.

    - Ikoro
     
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    Ok, lets do this. When I made the statement that said "sort of", it was in recognition of some serious and note worthy factors as it relates to our people on a global scale. I understand and thoroughly understand that outside of having our land taken and the physical suffering that we have endured for the last 400 plus years...the greatest damage that was done to us was clearly psychological.

    Through the use of negative media, white washed history books, the stealing of our history and even the restructuring of the images in the religious books, great psychological damage was done to us that impacted upon us from childhood on up. A lot of it was conscious but most was subconscious. As such, the very important elements of inspiration, of being positively motivated to aspire beyond our environment...to look in a mirror and actually see a reflection of something other than the falsely projected image of nothing but a ghetto child, a thug, a drug dealer, jail bird or racist image of a jungle bunny...Obama's election to Presidency tore those walls down and gave us something greater to see. He instilled something greater than "keep hope alive" or "I have a dream" to the world of African/Black people worldwide.

    Yeah, we may still be in ghettos and we may still have those negative realities around us but with those things we have something greater to stimulate our inner energies with. We have something that for unknown reasons that we and the world "consider to be worthy of holding up to our children and the world at large and of saying; "See, this is who we really are". This is a great thing and a bad thing at the same time. It's great because it is happening and the effect is there. It's bad because this only happened when "white people acknowledged it also". It's bad because when I think of the really great men such as Lumumba, Garvey, Malcolm, Toure and others who came with answers "for our people, about our people and with our people, we didn't acknowledge them as such....and that's a living testament of the damage that white supremacy had and still has upon us psychologically. For in essence we have subconsciously and actually declared that "the only things and people of value are those that white people accept or approve of "...

    If I wanted to use the scales of Maat to see how and where things are balancing out, I would say that Obamas effect upon our people is great if we acknowledge the "inner tools" we were stripped of that really crippled our minds and hearts. If I look at Obama from a political, economic, militaristic and international perspective, then I would say he serves the elements of Global White Supremacy more than he serves us. GWS is an element that is always evolving or changing according to the times. If nothing else the world should have learned that if GWS falls, they fall also....why?...because GWS is in the pockets of the world powers. It truely is the octopus with eight arms extended around the world and nobody wants to stab it in the head to kill it because then they go down with it....So Obama has to help keep the octopus alive and restrengthen it so that the people world wide do not suffer even though he knows that the tentacles need to be snatched off.

    There's much more but I simply wrote this to let you know that I am not suffering from myopia in this situation.
     
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    bro. Keita

    your intelligence is pricless
    your passion is admired
    and most of all as a man

    I HIGHLY RESPECT YOU

    and don't worry i would never disrespect you by callin you girlfriend

    you know i had to stick a little humor in there

    you know being my LEO brother as well we need to let the "core"

    cool sometimes now, right?

    PEACE TO YOU BROTHER

    i bow in your presence

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    Brother Keita Kenyatta, thank you for the clarification.

    You have touched upon a great number of points that I too have been dwelling on.

    I am glad to see that such overstanding exists around me and at the same time within me as we all are connected.

    You have greatly pleased me by stating the following:

    (before I continue, may I ask you, in your great intellectual capacity to give me your definition of the difference between psychological and spiritual as used in this context? Give thanks.)

    This sentiment (yours, quoted above) really explains why, when everyone was shouting and crying about Obama I was the one going "Obama won? Where's my coffee?". Nobody shouted for Biko, too few cried for Lumumba, who saluted Sankara and where was the rally for Cabral?! I am bitter sometimes, at the lethargy of our people. But I know better than to blame them.

    There has not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember, or at least not since Brother Nelson Mandela been any single person of Afrikan heritage that has been as accepted, acknowledged and seemingly made powerful by white people as Brother Obama (Michael Jackson does not count).

    The fact that he was (s)elected in the United Snakes alone is just a testimony that he is working for the people, the majority of which being non-Afrikan. However, as you have also stated, the best thing about it is that so many of our youngsters, especially our men in the hood/ghetto will now be able to think and KNOW that "I can".

    We have something to compete with the Tupacs, the Nas' and the 50's, and he is actually the president of the worlds most corrupt/powerful nation. Wether we overstand what is happening behind the scenes or not, that is a powerful image we can use to empower our youths minds on their way to greatness and critical thinking. And, in the spirit of Amos Wilson, that kind of power we do not abhor.

    I would have been ecstatic if there was actually any reason to believe he would bring about some sort of pro-black revolution. If, say, late Brother Khalid Muhammad had been (s)elected president I would have been expecting something great! Imagine that... ah, one can always dream.

    In any case, as long as Obama functions within GWS (and, let it be known; there is no way he cannot) he will do what they want him to, not what we need him to. Even if it LOOKS like he is helping us, at best, it is only him thinking that he can - if even that.

    But I love him, and pray for him and his family's safety.

    Who knows, he might be a well-trained agent for Afrika, so well trained and undercover that we might not even know about it until after he has done what he came to do in life - or in death.

    Thank you for the "talk", your vibrations are felt all the way over here. HTP.

    One.

    - Ikoro
     
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    I CAN'T BUY THAT !!! Pt. 1.









    Keita,

    Thank you for answering, and as Ikoro, so did I enjoy the read. I preface my position by saying no back and forth is expected between us, we understand each other, well. This is only to interject a degree of difference with Obama in contrast to Lumumba, Garvey, Malcolm, Toure and the others.

    Personally, I hold Nat Turner in very high esteem for the part Nat played toward our liberation, even higher than I hold Barack Obama. Turner struck fear when it was needed most.

    Just in my view, the office of President of America, and ultimately the highest position in the world is astounding, in fact, it is as Alice Walker states, “we have no idea how profound it is.”

    To think what could have been on the minds of our ancestors as they built the White House, is to astonishing. Perhaps they could have thought about this day, that a son of African People could inherit this White House; this is what could have been on their minds and in their thoughts as they built, with free labor, the White House.

    I , above all, understand the enemy, and who the enemy truly is. Equally, I understand this as well, often, enemies are confused adversaries, which can be ourselves, as African-Americans.

    I remember all to well, what Malcolm said about “uncle Toms,” Malcolm said they were better off dead. I cannot argue with Malcolm about that, he was correct, our perceived enemies are confused adversaries.

    We stand together in This House, and that is what Matters to my tunnel vision!

     
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    Ikoro,

    This is the beginning of the new direction that we should all desire. That we as brothers and sisters here at Destee.com can meet and discuss without fear of reprisal, so to speak.

    And I have ejoyed this thread and all posts, especially yours, because its a vioce that I am not familiar with, but a voice that I can appreciate and learn from, the same as Keita's voice.

    Keep on Keeping on, Ikoro!
     
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    Peace fam.

    Indeed Brother Coger, these are the times.

    Our people are still afraid of revolution, but as those of us who are awake multiply we will win them over.

    I thank you and Bro. Kenyatta for all shared sentiments and the vibrations felt.

    Looking forward to the next discussion we will share.

    For the reconstruction, rebuilding and revivification of Afrikans worldwide!

    One.

    - Ikoro
     
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