Haiti : Hugo Chavez and Venezuela aid to Haiti

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  1. bientempo

    bientempo Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    For all of those who a few months ago were talking about how much Hugo Chavez and Venezuela were doing for Haiti.

    Boatload of spoiled food returned Notice that these are also venezuelan newspapers that are describing the food as spoiled

    Health authorities in the Dominican Republic are refusing to accept a boatload of what is described as "spoiled food" bound for relief efforts in Haiti. The shipment from Venezuela, now in the port of Puerto Cabello in the state of Carabobo, is described by Venezuelan newspapers as "51 containers with 30 tons of spoiled food in each one".
    The newspaper Tal Cual said sarcastically that the shipment in the Santa Paula formed part of "the altruistic manner that the Venezuelan government found to 'reprocess' part of the more than 80,000 tons of out-of-date foodstuffs that it purchased and forgot about, in some cases for more than a year, in Puerto Cabello and in warehouses of the PDVAL", a branch of the state-owned oil company PDVSA.
    The newspaper Ultimas Noticias says that the entire shipment was rejected by the Dominican health and port authorities.
     
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    Good evening, poster...

    But, while I don't deny the disturbing nature of the allegations, also we in the states do operate on the basis that anybody and everybody is considered innocent until proven guilty...

    And, given the nature of Senor Chavez stand against the Yankee downtrodders, i. e., which-- unlike Senor Castro--there's no rival world power--such as the Soviet Union--to watch his back--no telling who might've screwed up those food shipments--before they reached the Haitians--in the first place!

    Also, keep in mind, in spite of sentiments supporting the ending of decades spanning embargoes against that other island nation, here in the states as well as around the globe, it is the Afrocubans who continue to suffer the most...

    Etc, etc., etc.

    Yes...

    I have my criticisms of the aformentioned fella too...

    But...

    Before we unintentionally give aid and confort to shared enemies of our people elsewhere, let's do our homework and get our facts straight here, so we put forth truly informed opinions etc!

    Another one from an ally--not a 'critic'...

    :em0200:
     
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    You are right

    even if th article is in Spnish it seems ironic that no english article has been cut and paste as proof, considering the amount of hate that comes from here towards that nation

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148
     
  4. bientempo

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    Not sure that I understand when you are saying allegations? The shipment has already been rejected by the Dominican health Authorities and the Port Authorities when it was inspected. Therefore these are not allegations. If anyone screwed with the shipment it was Venezuelans, as some of this stuff is coming straight from the state-owned oil company PDVSA

    And described by Venezuelan newspapers as "51 containers with 30 tons of spoiled food in each one".

    Tal Cual, and Ultimas Noticias are both Venezuelan newspapers. And this has nothing to do with the USA or Cuba. As this stuff trans ships through the
    Dominican Republic, WE have the last word on if its acceptablel or not.

    As far as links do a google search with haitian aid and spoiled food. you will get your links I would but my internetconnection is very slow tonight. opps spoke tooo soon speeded up a little. posted the one there are others, do what spanish links?? for that just go to the web sites for tal cual, and ultimas noticias.

    http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/06/16/en_eco_art_venezuelan-ship-with_16A4034731.shtml
     
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    So basically what is your point?

    you want Black folks in the Us to hate Chavez over what?
    how many tons has he shipped since the disaster?

    how much machineryfor infrastructure?

    how many barrels of oil?
     
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    So far Venezuela has sent 616 metric tons of food aid and 116 metric tons of equipment, including water purification systems, electrical generators and heavy equipment for moving rubble.
    At the inauguration of a new cable car system in Caracas on Wednesday, President Hugo Chavez announced that five more ships loaded with aid left Sunday for Haiti. He is also supplying free fuel, saying, “The Venezuelan people will donate all the fuel the Haitian people need.” – Photo: Fernando Llano, AP
    Venezuela, the largest oil exporter in South America, is also sending free fuel to the devastated country, with Chavez pledging, “The Venezuelan people will donate all the fuel the Haitian people need.”

    The fuel will be used to operate power plants and public transportation. “We are coordinating with the president of the Dominican Republic, Leonel Fernández, who put the terminal of the refinery of his country at our service,” the Venezuelan president continued.

    A tanker with 225,000 barrels (worth approximately US$18 million) of diesel fuel and gasoline departed from Venezuela on Sunday.

    The Venezuela-Cuba initiated Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of our Americas (ALBA) fair trade bloc, which also includes Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Dominica, Antigua and Barbados, and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, has also sent two ships carrying 4,761 metric tons of food aid.


    http://www.sfbayview.com/2010/venez...t-to-haiti-questions-u-s-military-deployment/
     
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    Venezuelan Aid to Haiti

    Haiti has benefited from a solid economic partnership with Venezuela. This recently-forged friendship between Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and Haitian president Rene Preval has resulted in various economic agreements. After a visit by Chavez in March 2007, Venezuela and Cuba announced a $1 Billion fund to develop energy, health, and infrastructure in Haiti. As part of this deal, 4 power plants will be constructed in Port-au-Prince, Cap-Haitien, and Gonaives, increasing the country's power production by 160 MW by the end of 2007. An oil refinery will also be constructed in Haiti, with a production capacity of 10,000 barrels of oil per day. In the meantime, Venezuela has increased the amount of petroleum it provides Haiti to 14,000 barrels per day, at the same terms afforded to ALBA member countries - these terms are more favorable than the Petrocaribe terms.

    Venezuela's assistance to Haiti is founded upon a historic act where the newly-independent Haiti welcomed and tended to first Francisco de Miranda, then to Simón Bolívar and provided both with military assistance in the liberation of much of South America.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Haiti#Venezuelan_Aid_to_Haiti
     
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    verdad Chavez es una Santo.

    http://www.transafricaforum.org/files/Venezuela Aid to Haiti.pdf

    Projected figures for Venezuelan aid to Haiti after the earth quake, but its not all saintly, forgiving the debt was a nice touch as it was a full third for the Haitian total debt.. However, shipping that much-spoiled food is not a humanitarian touch. Regardless of what else Chavez may have done.

    As all of this is shipped through the Dominican Republic, except for the first planes that landed in Port O Prince. There is a pretty good idea what has actually sent through I am still hunting for figures. As far as your link on our refinery being at the disposal of Venezuela that’s not quite correct, and we are still processing our own fuel requirements. Haiti has no refinery capability, so they are receiving no shipments for crude oil from anyone. I have provided a link but the dates are off by about a year, as we just last month signed the deal selling 49 percent of the refinery to Venezuela. Not the 2009 date indicated in the link.
    http://www.hydrocarbons-technology.com/projects/refidomsa-refinery/

    Yes an as a dictator and president for life he is great. Now before you tell me he was elected, tell me who ran against him?

    enough cheer leading if you notice your wiki posts are verbatim from the link I posted from the the Venezuelan Embassy . Hum wonder who updated wiki.
     
  9. Ankhur

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    as you said, you are

    reaching,

    as in

    trying to dig for something to defame Chavez, yes 51 tons out of 600, was spolied and all of the english articles on the web had names that this website has rules about egarding foul language, and ironically there was no reliable website to coorbarate this claim, but hey if it makes one feel good then yes 50 spoiled tons out of 600.

    but the question remains hat is your point? since the post was prefaced as a challenge, inspite of the reliable sources posted

    reall is that reaching or stretching?

    and to be honest comeing from someone who has had some heavily negative stuff to say about the Hatian people, all this with all due respect sounds kind of disengenuous.
     
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    No point its just you all seem to think he is this great humanitarian(not). Now maybe its just me but I tend to regard the Venezuelan newspapers as reliable sources. Now if you don't thats your prerogative.

    And what are those highly negative statements that I have made about Haitians. If wanting them to go back to their own country is Highly negative, then I'm guilty! WE cant support/absorb them. We are not a rich enough country to do so. Now if all other countries want to send land and money to do so, we might consider it. Especially the land. Between the 2 countries there is a population of about 20 million, with a Land Area 29321sq miles. You have 40 states with a larger land area than our entire island. But only 4 states that are larger by population. California, Texas, New York, and Florida, all much bigger in land area.

    They are overwhelming us with numbers. 2million+ and counting (equal to a 5th of our population). That would be the equivalent of your having 60,000,000 illegals concentrated in an area of the size of one of your states like Nevada as it has more than 5 times the land area of the Dominican Rebublic. How many Americans would go along with that idea?

    Dominican Republic
    18,680 sq mi population currently about 9.5million

    Nevada pick another state if you want you have 11 of them that are 5 times or more larger than the DR. 41 that are larger.
    110,567 sq mi (ranked 7th) population currently about 2.6million. (Nevada)

    wonder why we might have a problem with that.
     
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