Black Spirituality Religion : how the New Testament came about...

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  1. solomon7

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    Subject: how the New Testament came about...

    The quoting of Paul, proves absolutely nothing. Paul was not excuted
    until 64-68 A.D. He never even knew Jesus. Paul claims to have seen
    Jesus, in a "vision". So, in my opinion, the New Testament is not
    abut believing the words of Jesus, it is about believing the story of
    Paul! He also wrote 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament and his
    opinions abound.

    Here is a very short history lesson, for those that don't know, the
    history, of the New Testament...Also, I have included info on Paul,
    for those who may be unaware

    When Paul wrote a letter to "the church at Corinth" (or any other
    city) his letter was passed around from church to church in that city
    to be read aloud. All of these congregations in Corinth were
    collectively called "the church of Corinth." The average first
    century Christian was fortunate if, in his lifetime, he was to hear
    even three such letters when they were read to a congregation. It was
    even more rare for anyone to have the privilege of reading three
    letters. Of course, copies of these manuscripts would eventually be
    stored (along with Old Testament scrolls) in church archives.

    Early in the third century (around a.d. 210), Tertullian, an
    outstanding Christian writer, popularized the title, the "New
    The acceptance of this new title placed the New Testament
    Scripture on a level of inspiration and authority with the Old
    Testament for the first time.

    Nobody owned a New Testament, much less a whole Bible in the first or
    second century because there weren't any. Period!
    However, an almost
    complete collection of all twenty-seven books that now make up the
    New Testament were in use for the first time in Rome by about a.d.
    180—but this was only one set. The first church council to list these
    twenty-seven books was the Council of Carthage in a.d. 397.

    The Gospels and the letters of Paul were circulated as working
    documents among churches, but only the Old Testament books were
    formerly recognized as Scripture in the first century.

    The Gospels and the Pauline Epistles did not gain importance equal to
    the books of the Old Testament until the third century.
    Until then,
    the church could not accept even the possibility of there being a
    second or a New Testament.

    This is comparable to us anguishing over the possibility of there
    being a third Testament written after the Second Coming of Christ.
    We instantly reject the idea as unthinkable, don't we? So did they.

    Paul's significance in the history of Christianity can hardly be
    : an indefatigable missionary, the first interpreter of
    the Good News of Jesus Christ to the Gentile world, he is also the
    author of more New Testament books than any other writer.

    When we first meet him in the Book of Acts (7:58-8:1) it is as Saul;
    and later, Acts 13:9 describes him as "Saul, who is also called
    Paul." As a Jew he bore the name of Israel's first king (1 Samuel
    9:2, 17); but as a free citizen of the Empire, he also bore a Roman
    name. Many Jews of this period in history had two names, one Semitic
    and the other Greek or Roman. A child of the tribe of Benjamin
    (Romans 11:1; Philippians 3:5; 2 Corinthians 11:22), Paul proudly
    identified himself as an "Israelite" and a "Hebrew born of Hebrews,
    as to the law a Pharisee" (Philippians 3:5) "extremely zealous for
    the traditions of my fathers" who excelled his peers "in Judaism"
    (Galatians 1:14). But he was also proud to be "a Jew from Tarsus in
    Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city" (Acts 21:39). Tarsus was a
    Hellenized city, famous for its university, gymnasium, theatre, art
    school and gymnasium. It became the capital of the province of
    Cilicia during Pompey's reorganization of Roman Asia Minor in 66 BC.
    Later on, Mark Antony – famous as Cleopatra's lover – granted freedom
    and Roman citizenship to the people of Tarsus. In an age when most of
    the people living within the boundaries of the Pax Romana were
    slaves, Paul was born a free citizen of the Empire.

    St. Paul was "educated strictly according to the law of our fathers"
    at the rabbinical school conducted in Jerusalem by the great rabbi
    Gamaliel (Acts 22:3). Gamaliel was a Pharisee and a member of the
    Sanhedrin, "a teacher of the law respected by all the people" (Acts
    5:34). Although Gamaliel is depicted in the New Testament as lenient
    towards Christians (Acts 5:33-39), his disciple Saul was active in
    the earliest persecutions of Christianity and attended the stoning of
    St. Stephen the deacon and first Christian martyr (Acts 7:58).
    Paul "persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to
    prison both men and women" (Acts 22:4).

    It was
    duringIntent on exterminating the new faith, Paul sought to travel to
    Damascus to undertake the persecution of Christians there. his trip from Jerusalem to Damascus in Syria that his life
    would take a crucial turn when he says he encountered the risen Jesus
    in a searing vision of light that left him temporarily blind.
    experience was revolutionary, engendering a complete transformation
    and redirection of his life. As a result of this said "revelation"
    (Galatians 1:12), Saul, the bloodthirsty persecutor of Christianity
    converted to the faith he once hated, was baptized by Ananias and
    received into the Church of Damascus, the very community he had set
    out to suppress (Acts 9:10-31)
    . From this moment on, he became
    a "slave of Jesus Christ" (Romans 1:1) and in that slavery
    discovered "the glorious freedom of the children of God" (Romans

    Luke recounts this Damascus experience three times in the Book of
    Acts: once in the narrative, Acts 9:3-19; and twice, in speeches,
    before a crowd in Jerusalem (22:6-16) and before Festus and King
    Agrippa (26:12-18).

    "Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of
    the Lord,

    went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues of

    Damascus, so that if he found any that belonged to the Way,

    men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem."

    "While I was on my way and approaching Damascus, about noon, I saw

    a great light from heaven, brighter than the sun, that suddenly shone

    around me and my companions. When we had all fallen to the ground,

    I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language,

    `Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?'

    I answered, asking, `Who are you, Lord?'

    The Lord answered, `I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.

    But get up and stand on your feet!

    I have appeared to you for this purpose:

    to appoint you to serve and testify to the things you have seen.

    I will rescue you from your people and the Gentiles – to whom I am
    sending you,

    to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light

    and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive
    forgiveness of their sins

    and a place among those who are being made holy by faith in Me."

    This vision of the glory of God - what later theologians and saints
    will call the uncreated light - is the call by which Paul becomes the
    Apostle to the Gentiles, the greatest missionary in the history of
    Christianity. It is through his missionary efforts that Christianity,
    originally a sect of Judaism, becomes a world religion.

    After his encounter with the risen Lord on the road to Damascus and
    baptism at the hands of Ananias, Paul tells us in his letter to the
    Galatians that he "went away at once into Arabia," spending time in
    the desert wastes before returning to Damascus, where he remained for
    three years (1:17-18). By the time of his return to Damascus, the
    essentials of his teaching were crystal clear: God's promise to
    Abraham has been fulfilled in the resurrection of Jesus. The risen
    Jesus is the climax of history for He is both the Messiah, the
    Christ, and "the power and wisdom of God" (1 Corinthians 1:24).
    Teaching in the synagogues in Damascus that Jesus "is the Son of
    God," his preaching proved so controversial that there were plots to
    kill him. He escaped Damascus by being lowered over the city walls in
    a basket at night (Acts 9:19-25).

    Three years after his conversion, Paul journeyed to Jerusalem to meet
    with Peter and stayed with him for fifteen days. "But I did not see
    any other apostle except James, the Lord's brother" (Galatians 1:18-
    19). In Acts 9:26-30 Luke describes the suspicion with which the
    leaders of the Church in Jerusalem greeted Paul and that it was
    Barnabas who secured Paul's acceptance. From Jerusalem, Paul returned
    to Syria and ultimately went to its capital, Antioch, the third city
    in the empire after Rome itself and Alexandria in Egypt.

    It had been in Antioch of Syria that followers of the Way had first
    been called Christians (Acts 11:26) and it was this community that
    would commission Paul and Barnabas as missionaries (Acts 13:1-3).

    Luke organizes Paul's missionary activity into three segments or
    journeys. Paul's missionary journeys cover roughly 46-58AD, the most
    active years of his life, as he evangelized Greece and Asia Minor.
    Paul's first missionary journey is recounted by Luke in Acts 13:3-
    14:28 and lasted for three years, probably from 46 to 49AD.

    However, Paul's message created controversy wherever he went.
    Initially preaching and teaching in the synagogues of the various
    cities they visited, it was in Antioch of Pisidia that the conflict
    led Paul and Barnabas to declare that they were now "turning to the
    Gentiles" (Acts 13:46). This decision, to preach not only to the Jews
    but to all peoples, marks a decisive turning point in the history of
    Christianity. From that moment on the message of Jesus, the crucified
    yet risen Messiah, was clearly open to everyone and this was
    understood by Paul and Barnabas to be the fulfillment of the Old
    Testament scriptures (Acts 13:47-48). God had "opened the door of
    faith for the Gentiles" (Acts 14:27).

    But it was in Antioch of Pisidia that Paul and Barnabas soon found
    themselves in conflict with other teachers in the Church, "believers
    who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees" (Acts 15:5), men "from
    Judea" who were teaching that "unless you are circumcised according
    to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved" (Acts 15:1). When this
    leads to "no small dissension and debate, Paul, Barnabas and some of
    the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem" to consult "the
    apostles and presbyters" about the status of Gentile converts and
    whether or not it was necessary for them to conform to the Mosaic
    covenant (Acts 15:1-5). This visit leads to the council of Jerusalem
    (circa 49-50AD).
    This council was to be a paradigmatic event in the
    life of the Church, the pattern for ecumenical councils yet to be
    called in the centuries to come. At this council there was "much
    debate" as Paul and Barnabas presented their Gospel before the
    assembled community, which included "James, Peter and John" who
    were "acknowledged" as "leaders" and "pillars" of the Church
    (Galatians 2:1-10). According to Acts 15:6-21, it was Peter's voice
    that carried the day in favor of Paul and Barnabas. But it was James,
    speaking on behalf of all, who announced the decision of the council:
    circumcision is not obligatory for salvation.

    After the council of Jerusalem, Paul and Barnabas go their separate
    ways: Barnabas taking John Mark and sailing to Cyprus, Paul choosing
    Silas and traveling throughout Syria and Cilicia "strengthening the
    churches" (Acts 15:36-41).

    In the decade to come, Paul was to embark on two more missionary
    journeys, the second one from 50 to 53AD and the third and final
    missionary journey lasting six years, from 53 to 59 AD. During these
    journeys Paul would travel throughout the ancient Mediterranean
    world, preaching and teaching, establishing new churches everywhere
    he went. His Letters leave a trail of churches founded and/or
    nurtured by him: Ephesus, Corinth, Thessaloniki, Philippi. He
    preached in Athens and was to die in Rome, the intellectual and
    political centers of the Empire.

    To view maps of St. Paul's missionary journeys throughout the ancient
    Mediterranean world, click below:

    St. Paul's First Missionary Journey

    St. Paul's Second Missionary Journey

    St. Paul's Third Missionary Journey

    Paul's letters are the oldest Christian documents that we have. Most
    modern scholars believe that Paul's First Letter to the Thessalonians
    is the first book of the New Testament to be written, sometime in
    52AD. His letters are also the largest collection of writings by any
    one person in the New Testament. In modern Bibles, they are placed in
    order of their length, with the longest letter, that to the Romans,
    being first and then followed by letters to individuals (Timothy,
    Titus and Philemon) last. Paul's letters are exactly that: letters,
    occasional writings meant to deal with specific issues in the
    churches to which he addressed them. They are not systematic
    theological treatises in the modern sense. And yet, they have
    provided rich and deep theological insights that have never been
    surpassed in the Church's history.

    To read more about each of the letters of St. Paul click here.

    To read excerpts from St. Paul's letters about living the Christian
    life, click here.

    It is during his last visit to Jerusalem "to visit James" (Acts
    21:18) that Paul is arrested near the Temple after a small riot and
    taken by a Roman tribune before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council.
    Paul defends himself before the Sanhedrin by playing on the
    dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees and their conflict
    over the resurrection. After a plot to assassinate Paul is
    discovered, Paul's case is transferred to Antonius Felix, the
    procurator of Judea, who keeps him in prison for two years, expecting
    a bribe. When Felix's successor, Festus, arrives on the scene, Paul
    appeals his case to Caesar, requesting a trial in Rome by virtue of
    his Roman citizenship. "You have appealed to the emperor; to the
    emperor you will go," Festus replied (Acts 25:12). Paul's journey to
    Rome was to be an eventful one that included shipwreck. The Book of
    Acts closes with Paul under house arrest in Rome still carrying out
    his ministry of teaching and preaching – faithful to his Master to
    the end.

    During his thirty-year ministry as an apostle what had Paul suffered
    for the sake of the Gospel? Already in 2 Corinthians, Paul describes
    some of what he endured to preach the Good News of Jesus risen from
    the dead: "Five times I have received from the Jews the forty lashes
    minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I received a
    stoning. Three times I was shipwrecked. For a night and a day I was
    adrift at sea. On frequent journeys, I was in danger from rivers,
    from bandits, from my own people, from Gentiles, in danger in the
    city, in danger in the wilderness, in danger at sea, in danger from
    false brethren; in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night,
    hungry and thirsty, often without food, cold and naked. And, besides
    other things, I am under daily pressure because of my anxiety for all
    the churches" (11:24-29).

    Eusebius, the 4th century bishop of Caesarea who is often called the
    first Church historian, records that the apostle Paul was executed in
    Rome during the persecution of the emperor and madman, Nero. Nero's
    persecution of Christians lasted for four years, from 64 to 68AD. It
    was also during this persecution that the apostle Peter was executed.
    As a Roman citizen entitled to a quick death, Paul was beheaded. St.
    Gregory the Great, the 6th century pope, wrote that Paul's execution
    took place on the left bank of the Tiber River on the Via Ostiensis,
    the road to the port of Ostia, and is buried near the site of the
    basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls.


    "I will rescue you from your people and the Gentiles – to whom I am
    sending you..."

    Emperor Lucius Septimius Severus, the most distinguished of the
    African emperors of Rome, reigned from 193 to 211, and was born at
    Leptis Magna on the North African coast. Marcus Opellius Macrinus,
    Emperor of Rome for fourteen months, "was a Moor by birth." St.
    Miltiades, a Black priest from Africa, was elected the thirty-seventh
    pope in 311 C.E. Under Miltiades the Roman persecution of Christians
    ceased. The third African pope, St. Gelasius I, governed as pope
    from 492 to 496 C.E.

    Your most sincere and loyal servant
    suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
    Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
    so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
    "Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."
  2. spicybrown

    spicybrown Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Read the last few verses of the old testament, and you'll understand why the New Testament burst upon the scene. Good reading something new, Solomon;)
  3. Angela22

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    It's definitely about believing in the Word of the Father, and Paul was loved so much of the Father and he was a big part in teaching this Way that, back then, was not yet known to the masses.

    So many take Paul to be a fraud, but he was not, and I believe it is because of his popularity that everyone wants to tear down such a holy man. People always get debates thinking they are getting people to turn to the Son, by teaching them to not believe what Paul taught, but that's to the contrary since Paul was apart of the body of the Anointed Son. He never claimed he came in the flesh to save us, but continuously preached that the Father's Son, our Savior, was to be believed upon and had faith in. He was always humble about this making certain people understood the Word and that he was just a faithful servant of the Father and the Son.

    He spoke of the Son's resurrection from the dead, and the redemption that He has brought us all, and never made it seem as if listening to him was what saved any, but simply believing in what he wrote in the Spirit was to believe in the Father and find the salvation that is planted by His Word.

    Not certain when it was Paul was seen as a bad guy by so many people as a whole, but it's certainly unwarranted.