Black Women : How serious are you?

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  1. NNQueen

    NNQueen going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Sisters, how serious are you when it comes to caring about African Americans and Black people throughout the world, particularly in Africa?

    In this forum we spend a lot of time discussing relationships with our African American men, with each other and with ourselves. We show obvious signs of compassion for our people here in America, but do we also care about our brothers and sisters in Africa?

    I want to direct you to a very interesting discussion taking place in the Panafricanism Forum about the notion of a "United States of Africa" being a good remedy to Africa's problems and possibly our own. The thread was started by our Brother Panafrica who has shed some interesting light on the subject. It is stimulating some great discussion.

    I'm curious to know what your thoughts might be on the idea of African nations becoming united (similar to the United States of America) in order to be less dependent on European countries for its basic needs in order to survive. Do you think it's a good move for Africa to become politically/economically independent? I really want to know if my warrior sisters really care about what happens to Africa or is your compassion and interest only confined to issues related to African Americans only?

    I encourage you to visit the Panafricanism forum to read the thread: http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21691 and tell us what you think and what contributions, if any, would you be willing to make to help such a concept become a reality? If we are to truly be a 'community', we would love--we need--to hear from you!

    Peace.
     
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    deepy going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    How serious..
    Very...and stay active in a monthly women of the diaspora group...our goal is sending clothes, books, some financial support.,and talking and sharing with each other. we know we have to work with each other and for each other and then we can move to the next level.
    The concept of a united states of africa sounds very idealistic since the road to achieve such a concept is frought with many blocks...tribalism, "dash" to name just two. When Nigeria in the 70's had the potential for true economic independence and to forge the idea of support of fellow countries - and it didn;t happen -I think i let go of the idea of a united country for a long while.
    Thank you for sending me to the pan-african thread. Twas an interesting and informative read. But the sense of specifics (which would have to be approved by african leaders) do not seem to exist. We as a people (African , the Americas, etc) besides our spiritual root..must genuinely relate to an organized path to get to that ideal..(And it is a good Ideal!!!)
     
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    Thank you deepy for responding to this thread. I guess none of our other sisters care much about this topic as it hasn't generated interest. I'm not sure how to interpret that. I hope it doesn't mean that they don't care about Africa's independence and revitalization. There's much to be done before we can get where we want to be. Maybe sisters think that before we can help Africa, we have to be in a position to help ourselves first. If that's the case, then I'd like to read about that too. This is a call for some supportive and enlightening dialogue from sisters who know how to solve problems and how to provide much needed assistance in building healthy families and a strong community. :help:

    Peace :spinstar:
     
  4. Sun Ship

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    some things seem to never change

    The Pan Africanism forum always seem to have been a slow moving forum, let alone what kind of interest is shown, in response to the individual threads within.

    First of all, I think Black people still shy away from titles and subjects like that. Many of us, believe it or not, are still in some sort of “pubescent stage” of consciousness. There are many who see the term Pan “Africa” and immediately translate it into something negative or the mythological black separatist theory of hate i.e., “Hate white people”, even if that translation is only on a subconscious level.

    Now why conscious sisters didn’t respond to the thread, “The United States of Africa” (??) :confused: ??????

    :confused: ____h-mmm-mm… __ :confused:

    …I’m going to quit while I’m ahead. :lol:
     
  5. Destee

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    Hello Sister Queenie, Sister Deepy, and Brother Sun Ship ...

    I have read that thread all along, had ideas i wanted to share in it, and old ideas that came to mind, in regard to things we can do here, to educate our people regarding Africa.

    I must admit that i am not very knowledgeable when it comes to Africa. Reading you Sister Queenie, Brother Sun Ship, and all the others that have contributed very eloquent, educated, and informative posts to that thread, can be a bit intimidating, when it comes to adding my own thoughts. I mean, if a Sister can be totally honest, i've been reluctant to add my thoughts, because i'm concerned that they won't match up to the high-caliber contributions already made, perhaps even lessening the value by their mere presence.

    I think, if i feel this way, there may be others that feel the same. This could be said about any area of our community. We have very talented poets "upstairs," that on first observation, may make a novice poet slow to share their work. We have Members that have studied a number of religions and can quote many sources, making one feel that their "little" comments aren't worth being mentioned.

    Fortunately for us, we have a very inviting and open home here, where if one spends a little time, they soon learn that all comments are welcome, respected and appreciated. Not all of us are at the same place, with the same understanding and ability to articulate ourselves ... but with Family Members like all those who have contributed in that thread ... we will learn how to do this, based on the beautiful examples you all are providing.

    Please ... don't let our inactivity be an indication that we are not interested or serious in our hope for the very best, for all of us. I learn with every post you make, even if i don't respond to them all. Thank you for teaching me.

    Much Love and Peace.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  6. NNQueen

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    Sister Destee,

    Thank you for sharing your perspective regarding my last message and shedding some light on the subject. By all means, I don't mean to criticize my sisters who don't reply to these types of threads and I certainly do appreciate what you are saying about some who might feel intimidated because of the depth of many of our discussions. If there are some who feel this way, or some who feel that something they wanted to share has already been written, I want them know that, to me, it doesn't matter because I genuinely value everyone's opinion. That's how we all learn and grow together. You don't have to be book learned or my age to believe in something. There's a lot that I didn't know before I arrived here. I've learned so much in the past year since I've been coming here regularly and there's so much more that I want and need to learn. Believe it or not, as I awaken, I'm redefining myself because of what I've been learning here and it's a beautiful feeling. But enough about my metamorphosis and back to my warrior sisters.

    If you notice, there were several parts to my last thread in the form of questions. The most important question was what my sisters are willing to do to help build a stronger community for Black people. They can approach that question from whichever angle they choose. There is no right or wrong answer. No answer that's too simple or too complex. Responses don't require money, but they do require some thought and honesty. Even if my sisters feel they don't know how or what to do to help, it's an answer that could lead to some great discussion. If someone doesn't care or doesn't understand what the PanAfrican movement is about, that's good to know too.

    I guess I just want to draw more of my sisters into these types of discussions because oftentimes, I tend to be among a very few that contributes the woman's perspective. Closing in on a community membership of 4,000, I'm going to guess that nearly 50% of these are women and I know I'm not the only sister who thinks she has something to say on topics involving politics, economics, social reform and such.

    Please don't be intimidated and allow that to silence you if you want to share your opinions. But if you believe this is a valuable classroom, and want to sit back and soak up knowledge, then that's fine too. Either way I guess we're serving our purpose here. Let the teaching and learning continue . . .

    Peace and :heart:
    Queenie
     
  7. Destee

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    Thank you Sister Queenie for your response ... :love: ... you're so wonderful. You have such a great ability to articulate yourself and without you, during voice chat, i'd be stumbling much longer for the "right word." :)

    I didn't mean to look over your other questions. Actually, at some point when i first read this thread and the other in the PanAfrican forum, i was much too disillusioned to respond positively. Managing this one small community, trying to do for a few of us, what is proposed in that thread for all of Africa, left me with very little hope. While it is a wonderful idea and one that could only help Africa and all that call her home, the mountain looks very steep. I really don't mean to sound negative, but when many of our Sisters and Brothers aren't willing to do for those within reach, or close to home, how can we hope for them (us) to reach beyond our immediate surroundings and help save Africa?

    However negative my comments may sound, i am very encouraged because i know i am here, and you are here, and there are others like us and if we can continue to provide an avenue by which these things can be presented and discussed, the chances are greater that more will read, join us, propose, consider and possibly implement the many things we can do to help Africa.

    Yes, i do love Africa. She looks like me. She's been mistreated, exploited, abused, disrespected, raped and defiled. Her babies are orphans and her elders are dying from disease, starvation, and hopelessness. These are our own people. We should be able to come up with many ways to help her. Imagine if every African in America gave her one dollar a month. That's not a lot to the individual, but would be a great help to Africa.

    I was thinking also, that i could create a forum ... The United States of Africa ... and within it, have subforums, one for every country/state in Africa. Then, Family Members could contribute information regarding the particular country/state. We could learn Africa from our own perspective and not from how others would have us view her. Members would be welcome to share any little tidbit of information regarding her. I had considered this before, but didn't do it. Reading that thread brought it back to my thoughts. Because i know so little of Africa, i thought it would be a great and easy way to learn of her. You know i have so many things that i'm suppose to be doing, many that aren't done, so it's not always easy to implement these ideas due to time restraints ... but anyway ... that's what i'd like to do.

    Sister Queenie, i never thought for one moment that you were being critical of Sisters that don't respond, at least not in a bad way. I know you love us too much for that. I too recognize that you are oftentimes the only very active Sister in the discussions down here. I was just sharing why i was reluctant to speak in that thread. It's nice to be in a place where you don't have to worry about if your sentence runs a little long, or you've misspelled a word, or the comma is in the wrong place. I know better than anyone, that we do not judge each other on such things, yet i felt the feeling. Weird huh? I do know that contributing to these discussions only sharpens one's ability to present their thoughts, so we should all be doing it as often as possible.

    I really think it was Brother Sun Ship's response that triggered my desire to reply. I wanted to mention Brother Sun Ship, that i agree, some of us may have negative thoughts when "PanAfricanism" is mentioned. I'm coming clean right here and now, but i never really heard this term before getting on the Internet. It's been since we added this forum, and these discussions started, that my introduction and understanding of it became clearer. While many may have negative thoughts regarding it, i think far more of our people have no thought at all when they hear this term. It's certainly not taught in public schools and as a result, some of us may have found ourselves not aware. With this community, that forum, and Sisters and Brothers like yourself, willing to shed light (and dispel myths) on these things, i believe the understanding and participation will grow.

    Sister Queenie, i don't know how to get more Sisters to actively participate in the many discussions we have going on here. I too have noticed that you are often alone, when it comes to Sisters consistently sharing their opinions. Hmmmm ... i see the same in voice chat. We wonder why more folk in general don't take advantage of that wonderful resource. With almost 4000 Members, you'd think it would be standing room only by now, but it's not. In general, when it comes to communities such as this, folk tend to participate where they are most comfortable, eventually easing over into new areas as their comfort level grows. All we can do is provide a comfortable, loving, peaceful environment for them, and we are doing that, but we can't make them drink ... i mean post. :)

    I Love You Sister Queenie !!!

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  8. NNQueen

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    Destee--our comrade--our sister. . . what you are doing for us here is powerful and is only the beginning. Your idea of starting a United States of Africa forum is a good one, in my opinion and I'm sure we'll be discussing this more in the near future. Thank you for your most sensitive post. It says a lot about why our community continues to grow by leaps and bounds. It's true that much of what we discuss here can be daunting and often depressing, but exposing these issues to the light is the best way to find our true path and purposeful destiny. I believe we're headed in the right direction and in time, people will see how serious some of us really are when we say "Loving, Encouraging, Embracing, Teaching and Building With Our People."

    Brother Sun Ship . . . have you checked your private messages lately? :)

    Our future is now . . . Peace and :heart:
    Queenie
     
  9. panafrica

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    Wow, a lot has been said on this subject in recent days. When I started the thread topic, I never realized that it would generate so much interest (and it has done so much to my delight). I think it had been established during the PanAfrican chats of last summer, that PanAfricanism is an abstract and little understood concept. As a result, many people who might find some of the topics interesting, are reluctant to contribute for fear that they do not know enough about the movement (like Destee said). The ultimate consequence of this is that as Brother Sun Ship identified, the PanAfrican forum moves slowly. I feel that the PanAfricanism board holds some of the most intellectual discussions on Destee. Not "THE" most intellegent, but it rates pretty high. Much of that is a direct result of Brother Sun Ship's consistant, in-depth, and well researched posts (many of which has caused me to pause). :D

    The ultimate hope & goal of the United States of Africa, is that the creation of such a place would be utopia for all people of African Descent. In other words, making this dream a reality would not just be helping our brothers and sisters in Africa, it would help all of us. It would give us a homeland. A place we could go back to, and live a decent lifestyle. I also wanted to make people aware that helping Africa is not "charity", it can be sound business (because in my opinion most people's idea of helping Africa is giving money to starving Ethiopian kids with swollen bellies). Africa's primary resources: Oil, Diamonds, Gold, and Natural Gas, and largely being stolen from the continent (stolen from the people, not necessarily its officers). However, it is not the failure of Africa's countries to fully capitilaze on its most valuable resources which reduces the quality of life. Much of Africa lacks the most basic infrastructure: Roads, Transportation, Hospitals, Schools, Farms (despite fertile soil), Electricity, Plumbing, etc. These are areas that many African Americans have expertise in, and assisting Africa in these "holes" can be both helpful, and profitable.

    Destee I am delighted at your suggestion of a United States of Africa forum. But I don't feel that it is necessary. I do think that more education about Africa & PanAfricanism is needed on the PanAfricanism forum. I take personal responsibility for making this happen. Actually I have been thinking on this subject this very morning. I have spoken many times that PanAfricanism involves Black all around the world. However, I mainly talk about Africa & America. I intend to correct this by writing post & sharing news about other countries with a significant Black population: Brazil, the Caribbean, Europe, etc. This won't start until I have first compiled a significant amount of initial information. Hopefully these changes will bring more attention to the thread.

    :bowdown: To NN Queen as I leave the room. :thanks:
     
  10. Sun Ship

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    A Cloth Is Not Woven From A Single Thread.__Chinese proverb

    :devil: :flame: :flame: WHO DARE POST WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE!!!:flame: :flame::devil:
    :hot::devil::flame::grin::flame::devil::hot:​
    :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:




    :peace:OK...OK...OK :lol: :lol: :lol:



    :) I had to break the ice with my smilie version of the wizard of Oz :grin:

    But Seriously :)



    I think my response here is simple.


    Sister Destee :bowdown: :bowdown: your input is always a warm surprise to any and every thread. Your brilliance, intelligence and charismatic guidance is why we are all here. Even your quick-witted humor makes one loosen up and enjoy this sharing experience.

    And then Sister NNQueen, :bowdown: :bowdown: well I’ll be typing all night trying to redeem my thoughts about your contributions to these forums, lets put it like this, many of your questions are more profound than any of my answers, they invoke and encourage deep thought, long after I have left my computer.

    And of course Brother panafrica is just living up to his pseudonym, his information and perspective is always more than timely and insightful. :D :D

    I think the fact that we are searching for common ground at an informal grassroots level, makes everybody comments necessary.

    We should all be the same here. Black people trying to build a nation.

    Hey, I’m just an “everyday brother”; I’m just a Black man, that’s all. The more I know, just let’s me know, the more I don’t know.

    If this forum was just a flock of high browed black intellectuals pimpin’ extraneous adjectives to fill the dusty journals and academic coffers of Negro sociology and neo-liberal psychology, I wouldn’t waste my time here.

    Now I do think there’s problem when a forum subscribed to by almost 4,000 black people have only a handful of respondents to most of the discussion threads.

    But hey, what’s new.

    …And about the response or non-response of “some” of the sisters, I don’t want to comment, I might suffer a case of “reactionary Negro retrogression”… :lol: I think it’s sad when “sometimes” you can only get a thread rolling if there is something combative, demeaning or untrue posted in the thread. Now I did say, “sometimes”, but I guess that’s human nature. It seems like, we like fighting more than sharing. I may have been guilty myself in participating in one or more pissin’ contests rather than in a constructive discussion.

    But I have a lot of hope and I am going to post a few comments in the new Pan African thread.


    Peace,

    Sun Ship
    :)
     
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