Black Men : How Important REALLY Is Christian Western Styled "Marriage"?

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  1. Chinelo

    Chinelo Third Eye Is Always Open MEMBER

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    Notice first off I SAID "WESTERN STYLED MARRIAGE",I have been in many discussions with brothers and sisters around about, and an article sparked my interest as well,and always the end thought seems to lead towards the "MARRIAGE" question, yet it always ends with a consensus that marrying is not as important as its built up to be, and that TRUE LOVE and BONDING does not require the traditional western styled theory of licenses, and prenuptials, and all the sorts that come along with the marriage situation, now i for one view this style of marriage in its present day formality, as a crutch for the weak-minded individual, who really has no LOVE, nor TRUST for the brother or sister they are with, and they push it or feel a need for it to validate their false/fake feelings, i.e sex only, i.e "money"/financial aspirations, and last but not least to keep the person in a child's or children's life.

    Now that one is important, and mustn't be toyed with, but one must ask, if a sister or the brother for that matter went into a relations with each other, knowing full well that they didn't want a child or children, knew they had no aspirations to be full term in a relation, then why would both parties make the decision to have a child, then use the child or children as an excuse to get married, then in the end, the marriage lasts no longer than a year, and the in-fighting, and back and forth to these whites court systems, child-support systems begins, which brings more destruction to the black family.

    Then the money/financial issues begin to pop up, and both families of the sister's and the brother, are divided, and the child is left in the middle, and sometimes taken back and forth to courts and whatnot, while the white judges, lawyers, defenders, prosecuters, court reporters, and child support agencies, get richer off the mass amounts of brothers and sisters that end up in this route, because they never bonded correctly, never thought out the process, and then tried to force themselves together through marriage, when they both know they were not prepared, and then we end up with these stupid discussions about why black men and women aren't getting married, or our family structure in shambles, and it secretly makes whites and any other as if their structure is somehow superior to ours, when its nothing but a mask. Our people have been fooled into believing that marriage EQUATES LOVE or BONDING, when in fact the form of marriage in western society never sustains itself or latches on to the afriKan trapped in amerikkka, because it is not how we bonded in ancient times, marriage in western society actually divides and masks what REAL LOVE AND COMPATIBILITY is between the black man and woman......when we married, we married our FAMILIES, and communuties, in such a way, that it was never a individualistic tone or separation from the families.

    Now this brings to the forefront the practice that our ancesters and our brothers and sisters throughout parts of the diaspora and the motherland still practice called "polygamy", which if you go deep into the meaning, you can surmise that this practice is rooted in how our ancesters bonded, and were in a more united structural balance that was TRULY family oriented, in which having many wives, was natural, because we were all a family, and that brought about more of a united feeling, thought, and structure, when all these families were incorporated into one or connected closely to each other, and thats through food, feconomics, education, and social power and unity all which equals progress in the long run.

    So let me ask this question, is Marriage defined as it should be, or is just hyped up and constructed in a way to fit the white man's western styled blueprint?

    It seems if we want to get back to family structuring and unifying our communities more, we need to take a page from our ancestors and rather or not its the whole page, or just tidbits of it, but i'm convinced that the institution of marriage, its defined and presumed functioning and how its styled here in the white man's stolen western lands is causing a lot of these resulted ailments that are being overhyped as this mythical divide between brothers and sisters, because i know of many brothers and sisters RIGHT now, who are not married, have kids and that are doing just well, and love each other, but seem to begin to argue and be divided, when the talk of "MARRIAGE" occurs, when it doesn't, things seem normal and progressive, because they have a trust and love towards one another that they grew with and progressed with, and that makes them just as happy and progressive as anyone "MARRIED"!

    Seems to me "Marriage" and its role and functioning here in this society is more divisive and destructive to our ancestral roles......

    Another question, which is going to be a tough one of sorts, but i'm going to put it out there...

    Do you think that the ties to our ancestral brothers having more than one (wife), and our people in general, has something to do with why some brothers have a lot of women on the side, as some love to complain about, but then again, whats that say to the sisters that happen to have more than one man on the side, are you gravitating toward that style as well, because you see the hypocrisy in the style of marriage of the west?

    Also remember "Polygamy" scared and conflicted with the white man during colonial times:

    Polygamy became taboo with Colonialism due to the conflict with inheritance in large families, the social-economic threat caused by increased African populations and the Eurocentric Christian values.


    http://www.africanholocaust.net/news_ah/africanmarriageritual.html
     
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    http://www.africanholocaust.net/news_ah/africanmarriageritual.html

    "However today polygamy is still a reality and is becoming an option in the African Diaspora in response to a social dilemma. Polygamy within the framework of law and balance is a viable aspect of African family systems which is exited from Kemet to Sokoto.

    Perception of African self has been so given to us by the “other” that it is hard to distinguish what is indigenous intelligence and what is a product of mental conditioning because of the European dynamic. There is a great confusion around modernity with progress and development and too often Westernization or more specific Europeanization is collapses into modernity. African people must objectively re-examine structures that were the backbone of their historical development in an attempt to successful engage in modernity.


    Outside of the Western paradigms, all aspects of Africa must be placed on the table of development; critically examined, modified, deleted or enhanced with respect to the African cultural continuum".
     
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    Black Population Increase?

    Now i found This Interesting, same link as above:

    President Bashir of Sudan stated that the undeniable relationship between development and population increase (as clear with China and India) and openly encourages polygamy to allow increased development. This seems contrary to Western advisors who encourage Africans to decrease their populations, but ironically these same experts argue for an increase in Europe's population and are deeply concerned with the social-economic consequences of decreasing birth rates in the Western world.

    Ali Mazrui states: Culture provides lenses of perception, the way of looking at reality, a world view; culture provides standards of evaluation; what is good and what is evil; what is legitimate and what is illegitimate are rooted in criteria provided by culture. Culture conditions motivations; what motivates individuals to act or refrain from acting, what inspires individuals to perform well or to really exert themselves, is partly inspired by cultural factors. Culture is the medium of communication; the communicative aspects of culture range from language in the literal sense to physical gestures and modes of dress. Culture provides a basis of stratification, a pecking order in society. Status, rank and class are partly the outcome of a cultural order.

    Some African advocates of polygamy see it as an aspect of a needed paradigm shift where Africans revisit there traditional practices which worked for thousands of years. Thus mentally throwing of colonial imposed taboos.
     
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    IMO

    over population and over development is the greatest danger facing the earth.
     
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    Well brother i see black unity and developement reproductively and socially as more important than that, whats the use for a toned down populace amongst our people, if we have no unity or progressing structure, it just beacons fore more enslavement.

    The reason for the earth being in its condition is because of the OVERPOPULATION of that man that hails from Europe.....once they depopulate, things should get back on a more HUE-MANE course....:10400:
     
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    this is one of those things that transcends race.
    there are simply too many people for the resources of the planet.
    we (all of us) are destroying the earth. look at a TV. black folk best stop with the over population.
     
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    Western definition of overpopulation - too many non white people

    If the United States and Europe which make up 20% of the Earth's population weren't using 80% of the Earth's resources there would be no overpopulation or over-development.

    Polygamy as a way to reclaim our African culture would be neatr. It wou7ld certainly solve the problem of unmarried women fighting over men. Yet even some men eschew the idea of polygamy. That's crazy. They'd rather cheat and sneak. I guess that's to avoid the responisibility that comes with true polygamy.

    It would take a tremendous social shift for it to work in the West. Women are programmed to feel pain and humiliation at the mere thougght of their husbands loving another woman. This pain and humiliation is an artificial social constructiooon but it will still require reprogramming.

    Also Western women are very selfish and territorial about their homes. I want to be the woman of my house. I don't even really like the thought of sharing it with a man either. To me the perfect relationship[p would be where we live next door to each other, cross town or around the way, yammo. But that too is part of African culture to have everybody have their own hut.

    We'd really have to keep the western ideology totally out of it because once polygamy is legitimized then you know the feminist will be pushing for polyandry. The family structure would get totally confused then.

    For any aspect of African culture to work we must first eliminate the selfish individualism we've been programmed with. When we become Africans inside then we can safely build the social structures of Africa
     
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    there are many animals all over the world that are under pressure due to loss of habitat.
    some of this is in Africa. man kinds abuse of the planet is going to kill us all.
     
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    All the more reason for whites to get out of Africa. For centuries they have been destroying the habitats of both humans and animals.

    Then they want to blame it on overpopulation. Since when did you start judging truth by what you see on tv?
     
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    But we are way off topic.

    let's look at whaat Chinelo was saying
     
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