Black People : How do You View the Elders?

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  1. ANUK_AUSAR

    ANUK_AUSAR Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Peace,

    As a younger man in the struggle, I often find that alot of my elders who are spiritually uncultivated demand high honors just because they have jettisoned the doctrine of Christianity.

    While I've been as respectable to these persons as I could possibly be, I've often had the problem of older people trying to "check me" on minutae, even when I've been in compliance with the ways of our ancestors. For example, I've been asked by certain elders to confer upon them honors which they have not been afforded according to ancestral merits.

    I also have people who reprimand me for critically analyzing certain historical personalities, just because they have a cozy spot for them in their heart. At these instances, I'm reminded of how "they were in the struggle before I was born" and so on. It's as if I'm not "allowed" to view history by the mandates of MY spirituality, so as to not upset some old school revolutionary.

    In the midst of all this, I am *VERY* mindful of my honored elders, and of my ancestors, talking to them daily. I'm comforted by the example given by Malidoma Some in The Healing Wisdom of Africa, when he expressed his frustration with having to be initiated with pubescent boys, because he was not yet seen as an adult in his society.

    Does anyone else here run into this problem?

    Peace.
     
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    naw, not at all. i love my elders..........:blowkiss:
     
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    How do you determine that your elders are spiritually uncultivated?
     
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    Jut because one is an Elder, does not mean that they are incapable of making mistakes....

    And, just because they deserve respect because they are Elders, does not mean that we also respect those mistakes and erroneous ways that they commit.

    Part of being spiritually cultivated, is being able to discern the difference.

    These days, the curses of the Father are often visited upon the Son.

    A personal example: My father is most definitely one of the "spiritually uncultivated" as you have mentioned.

    He is now a Deacon in the Church, but in his early career of "Deaconhood", he was drinking heavily, and beating mercilessly on women.

    Amidst all of this, his goal was to "convince" me (guess how?) of going to church, whilst I had already had my own spiritual path and Journey since I was very young (I was raised mostly by my mother).

    We had many fights (both verbal and physical) about this, and eventually I became a "man" (By his standards) and moved out and on......

    I have always loved my father unconditionally, but I have never liked him very much.......So much so, that he had become what I call an "anti-role model": someone who have strive very hard NOT to be like.

    Had I not seen him in this "anti-role model" light, I would not have become the better person that I know that I am today.

    As a result, the distance that I had put betwixt my father and I, helped to create a relationship based on mutual respect for one another.

    We are far more civil, respectful, cordial, and even jovial with one another, whenever I visit him. This is a level of relationship that I never had--nor could never have had--with him previously.

    My bit of wisdom to you, Young Lord, is that since you are spiritually cultivated, and they (whomever the "Elder" in question is) is not, then the burden falls to you to utilize the Wisdom Faculty within your Spirit to carry the day, when dealing with them......It does not fall upon them.

    People cannot use, what they do not have (nor have no interest in attaining).

    Remember also, that "Elder" does not automatically translate into "Wise", nor does "Youth" translate into "stupid".

    You, Young Lord, are far wiser than many "Elders" that I've met, that are 3 and 4 times your age.

    However to those Elders (including those here) that have learned the Lessons of life well, and exude those lessons in their demeanor, I bow to your Wisdom.

    PEACE
     
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    NNQueen going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Beautiful and enlightening essay, Bro. Samurai! :bowdown:

    I echo Bro. Kemetkind's question because I'm not sure what is meant by "spiritually uncultivated." Does it have anything to do with religion?

    Can someone please articulate what spiritually uncultivated looks like in a person?

    Queenie :heart:
     
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    SAMURAI36 Banned MEMBER

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    PEACE SISTER QUEEN:

    My thanks to you.

    Not at all; it has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. In fact, it is just the opposite.

    Without diverging this topic too far away from its original intent, I shall say that Spirituality and Religion are 2 separate, though remotely related entities.

    It seems that both here, and the world over, the term and concept of Spirituality is grossly misinterpreted.

    Perhaps a thread is in order, discussing this particular topic exclusively.

    A spiritually cultivated person is one who strives to find balance with all things in exsistence. S/he strives to ascend to a place where many of the mundane and trite things of this material world are just that...... They seek to establish an equilibrium on all levels: physically mentally as well as spiritually (the latter influence the formers, and the formers sustain the latter as well as each other).

    Also, the spiritually cultivated recognizes their Spirit as a functionally diverse entity (much in the same way that the human body is, with the various systems working towards the common goal of self-sustenance), and treats it as such, in the very same/similar one as one would do for their body.

    This is, in effect, totally different than what most "religions" (especially those of the Abrahamic persuasion, and those on an exoteric level) teach and/or perscribe for their adherants.

    PEACE
     
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    ANUK_AUSAR Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    How do you determine that your elders are spiritually uncultivated?

    If these elders are still displaying major problems in their thinking about relationships, health, substance abuse, respect for other elders, respect for the ancestral ways, etc. then, by definition, their spirit is uncultivated.

    This may be approached from an Akan, a Yoruba, an Ausarian, an Isanusi or any other type of traditional African perspective you prefer; I have an affinity for them all, and I can also see how each of them maintain certain standards which are translatable into most of the other ones.

    I've known elders who call women out of their names, and mistreat women, who've used my age as a pretense for their outlash against my obvious consternation, voiced or otherwise, with these issues. In at least one instance, this nearly culminated in violence.

    Spiritual cultivation is relative, but the appreciation for the culture itself must be there, and many don't possess that. Instead, they flaunt their information stock in front of others. These are the types about which I speak.

    Peace.
     
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    are you forced to be around them?
    if you can, step away.
     
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    brother anuk have you tried to investigate why they behave like that?
     
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