Black Spirituality Religion : How do you know that there is a God?

[MRS. LADY]

The question is not "Is There A God" but where is This God people seek after and what is this God that people seek after? I know....the question is, do you know??

I think I do ....

God is within..... this is the easy part

the second part of your question... could be either answer depending

defined by the individual?

or programm'd into the individual?

 

[dattaswami1]

When one gives thought to God existing or not inevitably one uses that part of their religion that tells them there is a god. However, with simple logic and research it is possible to conclude that there is a being outside of our natural existence that set everything into motion. We refer to this being as God because it is the accepted term, so I will just use God. But, for the record, I don't believe in any particular religion(because ALL religions are manmade), so God is really an inadequate term.

As someone mentioned, there is a God because of our existence. Life in it self is evidence that there is a God. Atheists will argue that life is only evidence that there is life. The problem with that is the it would negate one of the strongest laws of the universe; CAUSE AND EFFECT. There is an attempt by every religion, culture, society to define who and what God is. Here is the perpetual problem. How can we define something we can't comprehend? And atheists will say, since we can't define him ACURATELY, there must not be a God at all. Again they fall short with their logic.

Sometimes the only evidence that their was a cause is the existence of the effect. Because we don't know what the cause was does not mean there was no cause. Simularly, sometimes the only evidence of a person (or being) is the existence of that which they created. Example: Who invented the wheel? Although there have been many attempts to find this out and conflicting answers, there is one thing that is clear. We have a wheel therefore someone invented it. Just because we don't know who did it, doesn't mean it has no inventor. But, we don't make up a person and give him genius qualities either.

The same is true of God. We live. There is a natural order of things. There are physical laws of the universal. The alternative to there being a God would be that this stuff happened by chance/ at random. I think most rational people can agree that is ridiculous. Have you ever rolled dice? Have you ever rolled 10 doubles in a row? Well consider this...in order for life to have been gernerated at random it would mean that nature somehow threw 2 six sided dice and they landed on double sixes over 11 MILLION times IN A ROW! I think God is more logical than that. Don't you?

It is said that Brahma married His own daughter, Sarswati. The inner meaning is not understood. The daughter means that the world is created by God. In the world any product gets the qualities of its cause. The color of gold is seen in its chain. But in the world the cause and effect are imaginable items. But, though the world is imaginable, God, its cause, is unimaginable. Hence, this case of God and world is beyond the normal logic of the worldly cause and effect. Hence, though world is effect, since it is generated from God, it is also not the effect, since the qualities of cause have not entered the effect.
Therefore, from the second angle the world can be treated as an independent entity giving entertainment to God like wife. Veda and Gita are authorities for both the concepts of world being the product of God and also not getting any quality of God. Veda says that world is produced by God (Yato vaa…). Gita also says the same (Aham sarvasya jagatah…). Veda says that no item in the world is God, which is completely different from God (Neti Neti…). Gita also says the same (Natvaham teshu….).


In a golden chain, Gold is the cause and chain is the effect. Yellow color of gold etc comes into the chain also. Now, the qualities of God are not known to us. It is unimaginable and all the items in the world are imaginable. So the qualities of God have not entered the world. All the characteristics of God are unimaginable. In the cause effect relationship the qualities of cause should enter the effect also. But world contains imaginable characteristics. Since world is generated it is the effect of the cause, but it not like the worldly cause and worldly effect. This cannot be applied to God. If we apply the characteristics of God should enter the world. If it is so then the characteristic of world also become unimaginable. If God is unimaginable then world is also unimaginable if cause enters the effect. But it is not so. From unimaginable if some thing is produced then it must also be unimaginable. Cause and effect is there but still the worldly cause and effect cannot be applied to God.

Both Gold and chain are imaginable items, but here God is unimaginable. You cannot have comparison between imaginable and unimaginable.

 

[dattaswami1]

I think I do ....

God is within..... this is the easy part

the second part of your question... could be either answer depending

defined by the individual?

or programm'd into the individual?

God is not in all. If God is in all then what is the necessity of spiritual effort?
But God comes as a human being to this world known as Human incarnation to preach and uplift the human souls. In Him only God exists.

If God is present in the universe, the universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. The Veda says that this universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na...). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore it cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema. You are the subject and the cinema is object, which is separate from you. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of the object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God.


In bible in the Old Testament, it is mentioned that God does not live in the creation. If God is in the space then God has to live in the creation. But Old Testament says God does not live in the creation. And in Gita also it is mentioned ‘Neti Neti. If one says God is in the space then God must be in the creation. But God is not in the creation but only enters the creation, through human form. God has entered the world temporarily, not permanently for ever. If God is pervading every where and everything then all the living being must be God? In that case there is no sinner. So pervading of space by God is ruled out.

This leads to the inability of God in creating any object that is separate from Himself for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be Omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions.

 

[MRS. LADY]

God is not in all. If God is in all then what is the necessity of spiritual effort?
But God comes as a human being to this world known as Human incarnation to preach and uplift the human souls. In Him only God exists.

If God is present in the universe, the universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. The Veda says that this universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na...). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore it cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema. You are the subject and the cinema is object, which is separate from you. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of the object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God.


In bible in the Old Testament, it is mentioned that God does not live in the creation. If God is in the space then God has to live in the creation. But Old Testament says God does not live in the creation. And in Gita also it is mentioned ‘Neti Neti. If one says God is in the space then God must be in the creation. But God is not in the creation but only enters the creation, through human form. God has entered the world temporarily, not permanently for ever. If God is pervading every where and everything then all the living being must be God? In that case there is no sinner. So pervading of space by God is ruled out.

This leads to the inability of God in creating any object that is separate from Himself for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be Omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions.

now.... I'm just going with the original "no need for scriptures etc".. in the original post....

alpha and omega tho... does not that mean infinate...

If God is infinate.. the beginning and end... than that's all there is really....

I mean to summarize what you state... my mind is processing this way.. we are here for the entertainment of God, and just when you about to break he comes here to uplift your soul... that's not registering...

The necessity of spiritual effort would be exercising the free will that was given me.....

God is a spirit.... we all have a spirit... so God is within...

The outward actions and behaviors in the human form would then tell me if Good has been the choice or something other.......

no God does not live in the creation........ we live in the creation becaue we create ...

I know I do..... I create my fate by the choices that I make.... if I choose good then good is returned and blessed and manifested in my human life... if i choose the opposite then same thing...

 

[hiphopolx]

God is not in all. If God is in all then what is the necessity of spiritual effort?
But God comes as a human being to this world known as Human incarnation to preach and uplift the human souls. In Him only God exists.

If God is present in the universe, the universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. The Veda says that this universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na...). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore it cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema. You are the subject and the cinema is object, which is separate from you. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of the object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God.



In bible in the Old Testament, it is mentioned that God does not live in the creation. If God is in the space then God has to live in the creation. But Old Testament says God does not live in the creation. And in Gita also it is mentioned ‘Neti Neti. If one says God is in the space then God must be in the creation. But God is not in the creation but only enters the creation, through human form. God has entered the world temporarily, not permanently for ever. If God is pervading every where and everything then all the living being must be God? In that case there is no sinner. So pervading of space by God is ruled out.

This leads to the inability of God in creating any object that is separate from Himself for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be Omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions.

Let's say your in a coma right now and this all in your dream. I'm just another character. Am I apart from you? or exist outside you?