Black Spirituality Religion : How do you know that there is a God?

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  1. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    How do you know that there is a God?


    The straight answer for that, no need of quoting scriptures etc, because he will say that it is some theoretical imagination. The only proof for God is the human incarnation coming into the world, and straightly performing the unimingable miracle and by that He proves the existence of the unimaginable God and also He preaches about the unimaginable God. You are unable to know the unimaginable miracle and He is performing. Neither you analyze nor you perform the miracle. Thus human incarnation is the authority. Jesus told I came to fulfill the statements.

    The scriptures are fulfilled by the arrival of the human incarnation. Jesus arose a person who died three days back, no body can do it, that is not possible for an ordinary man. The same Jesus told there is God. You could not analyze this miracle and you could not under stand the miracle, and hence the performer of the miracle is the sole authority in this field. Either you should also perform the miracle and say God does not exist. But you should do it in genuine way. Some body acts as if he is dead and ask him to rise; not like that not magic.

    If you can also do and say God doesn’t exits. Then we will agree and we will say that all these scriptures are just bogus. That is why these scientists and atheist fight with miracles. They are only catching their throat. They are always enemies to the miracles. That is the only hard nut for them, if they cross that hard nut then they have won. Scriptures alone cannot stand, unless something is demonstrated it is not proved. That is I why Jesus told I came to fulfill the statement of scripture. I demonstrate or perform the theoretical knowledge preached in the scriptures. Only human incarnation’s miracle is the only answer for these atheist and scientists.
     
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    I know there is a GOD because I exist.... life in itself is a miricle......

    have you not just ever looked in a mirror or into your own reflection in the water...

    we have life.... everything around us has life....

    the way I look at it ... women give birth in three trimesters...

    i don't take every story at face value... i think there is always a deeper meaning to it...

    the same as I exist.... I know there is something greater than I....

    again religion IMO is law... man made.. GOD is within.....
     
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    You are right!

    God is the Lord for both Pravrutti (Obeying justice) and Nivrutti (Loving Service to Lord). If the Lord is not pleased in Pravrutti you cannot please Him in Nivrutti also. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravrutti is to have satisfaction at every step. The contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord. Even if you have travelled from one place to other place you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not sure that one will reach the destiny by a bus or train or aeroplane.

    If any accident takes place you are gone forever. Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destiny by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destiny does not need any effort and it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destiny by the grace of the Lord only. Therefore, in every stage you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do every thing for you. Jesus always used to thank the Lord in every small work also. He always thanked the Lord for the past and never was worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given. He never was worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and they were feeling hungry. He never planned about the future consequence of such situation.

    The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what already you have and thanking the Lord for whatever was already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every respiration because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord the lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord. I find several people who crave for money every time irrespective of what ever they had. They never attain the satisfaction at any stage of the growth of their financial strength. God becomes displeased with such people and will not grant further wealth because the fellow will never get satisfaction. There is no use of granting any amount of wealth because the fellow is never satisfied. When the satisfaction is absent he will not thank the Lord with full heart. Even if he thanks, it is only for the future sanction.

    Therefore, if you really wish to have the grace of the Lord to remove your present financial crisis and poverty, the first step you have to take is to have satisfaction and complete contentment with whatever you already have. You plan with the existing funds and adjust yourself accordingly. If you have the will to adjust you can adjust to any quantity of wealth. When the adjustment is done, you will have the full satisfaction. Then if you pray the Lord you will not ask for any thing more because you are already satisfied. In such case your prayer is not for the fulfilment of any desire. Your prayer requires the Lord Himself and not any thing other than the Lord. Your prayer will be in His praise only and not for any desire because you had the full contentment already. Then the Lord gets real pleasure from you and will force His grace on you continuously. He will rain wealth on you forever. The wealth will be multi-dimensional. Wealth does not mean simply cash. Wealth means health, good children, good appetite for food and good digestion, good sleep, perfect peace, and success in every effort, continuous courage, knowledge and finally the salvation.

    Goddess Lakshmi is in eight forms and one form is only cash (Dhana Lakshmi). Therefore, if you really wish to get rid of the eight forms of poverty from your life and if you really wish for the eight forms of wealth, the only qualification you have to attain is the full contentment with whatever you have already. Gita says the same (Nitya Truptah…..). Sankara was in such a state. When He praised Goddess Lakshmi, she rained golden fruits. He did not take even one fruit from that heap. He desired for Goddess Lakshmi and for Her grace, but He never desired for the fruit of Her grace. He derived bliss from praying Her and from Her constant grace. The gold rained by Her does not give bliss. It gives only tension and worry. It creates dissatisfaction always. It destroys the contentment.

    If you have ten gold coins you will aspire for one hundred. After getting hundred you will aspire for thousand. There is no end for this. You will never achieve the contentment and you will be in the stream of dissatisfaction till the death. Therefore, if you touch the beginning of this chain, this infinite chain of wealth carries you away. If you do not touch it you are always having the contentment. Sankara told that the poor fellow is always fortunate (Koupinavantah Khalu Bhagyavantah). Sankara also told that the money would lead to misery of dissatisfaction only (Arthamanartham…).
     
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    the illogocial alternative

    When one gives thought to God existing or not inevitably one uses that part of their religion that tells them there is a god. However, with simple logic and research it is possible to conclude that there is a being outside of our natural existence that set everything into motion. We refer to this being as God because it is the accepted term, so I will just use God. But, for the record, I don't believe in any particular religion(because ALL religions are manmade), so God is really an inadequate term.

    As someone mentioned, there is a God because of our existence. Life in it self is evidence that there is a God. Atheists will argue that life is only evidence that there is life. The problem with that is the it would negate one of the strongest laws of the universe; CAUSE AND EFFECT. There is an attempt by every religion, culture, society to define who and what God is. Here is the perpetual problem. How can we define something we can't comprehend? And atheists will say, since we can't define him ACURATELY, there must not be a God at all. Again they fall short with their logic.

    Sometimes the only evidence that their was a cause is the existence of the effect. Because we don't know what the cause was does not mean there was no cause. Simularly, sometimes the only evidence of a person (or being) is the existence of that which they created. Example: Who invented the wheel? Although there have been many attempts to find this out and conflicting answers, there is one thing that is clear. We have a wheel therefore someone invented it. Just because we don't know who did it, doesn't mean it has no inventor. But, we don't make up a person and give him genius qualities either.

    The same is true of God. We live. There is a natural order of things. There are physical laws of the universal. The alternative to there being a God would be that this stuff happened by chance/ at random. I think most rational people can agree that is ridiculous. Have you ever rolled dice? Have you ever rolled 10 doubles in a row? Well consider this...in order for life to have been gernerated at random it would mean that nature somehow threw 2 six sided dice and they landed on double sixes over 11 MILLION times IN A ROW! I think God is more logical than that. Don't you?
     
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    The question is not "Is There A God" but where is This God people seek after and what is this God that people seek after? I know....the question is, do you know??
     
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    I think I do ....

    God is within..... this is the easy part

    the second part of your question... could be either answer depending

    defined by the individual?

    or programm'd into the individual?
     
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    It is said that Brahma married His own daughter, Sarswati. The inner meaning is not understood. The daughter means that the world is created by God. In the world any product gets the qualities of its cause. The color of gold is seen in its chain. But in the world the cause and effect are imaginable items. But, though the world is imaginable, God, its cause, is unimaginable. Hence, this case of God and world is beyond the normal logic of the worldly cause and effect. Hence, though world is effect, since it is generated from God, it is also not the effect, since the qualities of cause have not entered the effect.
    Therefore, from the second angle the world can be treated as an independent entity giving entertainment to God like wife. Veda and Gita are authorities for both the concepts of world being the product of God and also not getting any quality of God. Veda says that world is produced by God (Yato vaa…). Gita also says the same (Aham sarvasya jagatah…). Veda says that no item in the world is God, which is completely different from God (Neti Neti…). Gita also says the same (Natvaham teshu….).


    In a golden chain, Gold is the cause and chain is the effect. Yellow color of gold etc comes into the chain also. Now, the qualities of God are not known to us. It is unimaginable and all the items in the world are imaginable. So the qualities of God have not entered the world. All the characteristics of God are unimaginable. In the cause effect relationship the qualities of cause should enter the effect also. But world contains imaginable characteristics. Since world is generated it is the effect of the cause, but it not like the worldly cause and worldly effect. This cannot be applied to God. If we apply the characteristics of God should enter the world. If it is so then the characteristic of world also become unimaginable. If God is unimaginable then world is also unimaginable if cause enters the effect. But it is not so. From unimaginable if some thing is produced then it must also be unimaginable. Cause and effect is there but still the worldly cause and effect cannot be applied to God.

    Both Gold and chain are imaginable items, but here God is unimaginable. You cannot have comparison between imaginable and unimaginable.
     
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    God is not in all. If God is in all then what is the necessity of spiritual effort?
    But God comes as a human being to this world known as Human incarnation to preach and uplift the human souls. In Him only God exists.

    If God is present in the universe, the universe cannot be a separate object of entertainment to God. The Veda says that this universe is created for His entertainment (Ekaki Na...). If you are present in the cinema and become the cinema by pervading all over the cinema, the cinema is not a separate object for you and therefore it cannot give entertainment to you. If you are the spectator of the cinema, you should be separate from the cinema. You are the subject and the cinema is object, which is separate from you. If the subject and object are one and the same, there is no existence of the object at all. It means God did not create this universe. If the creation is absent, there is no entertainment to God.


    In bible in the Old Testament, it is mentioned that God does not live in the creation. If God is in the space then God has to live in the creation. But Old Testament says God does not live in the creation. And in Gita also it is mentioned ‘Neti Neti. If one says God is in the space then God must be in the creation. But God is not in the creation but only enters the creation, through human form. God has entered the world temporarily, not permanently for ever. If God is pervading every where and everything then all the living being must be God? In that case there is no sinner. So pervading of space by God is ruled out.

    This leads to the inability of God in creating any object that is separate from Himself for His entertainment. Such inability makes God impotent and then God cannot be Omnipotent. Therefore, the separate existence of the universe in which God is not present, must be accepted to avoid all these contradictions.
     
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    now.... I'm just going with the original "no need for scriptures etc".. in the original post....

    alpha and omega tho... does not that mean infinate...

    If God is infinate.. the beginning and end... than that's all there is really....

    I mean to summarize what you state... my mind is processing this way.. we are here for the entertainment of God, and just when you about to break he comes here to uplift your soul... that's not registering...

    The necessity of spiritual effort would be exercising the free will that was given me.....

    God is a spirit.... we all have a spirit... so God is within...

    The outward actions and behaviors in the human form would then tell me if Good has been the choice or something other.......

    no God does not live in the creation........ we live in the creation becaue we create ...

    I know I do..... I create my fate by the choices that I make.... if I choose good then good is returned and blessed and manifested in my human life... if i choose the opposite then same thing...
     
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    :thinking:

    Let's say your in a coma right now and this all in your dream. I'm just another character. Am I apart from you? or exist outside you?