Jails / Prisons : How Do We Keep Young Black Men From Going To Prison?

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Let's be honest Black men have not collectively brought a paradigm to Black youth to follow on a collective basis for over 400 years, and until we do then prison will continue to be as the rap songs chant and hynotize;

A rights of passage!

I grew up middle class and saw came back from college and saw young high school brothers, some whose parents owned 2 homes and made well over 6 figures combined,

in jail for multiple homicides, some armed robbery, and some dead.

We realy are not looking at the psychology of this issue, either ours or the youths
Therefore it is imperative that we go back to those who have dedicated their lives to solutions to this issue since it has a psychological root;
like Psychologist Amos Wilson;
Black-On-Black Violence: The Psychodynamics of Black Self-Annihilation in Service of White Domination,
Understanding Black Adolescent Male Violence: Its Remediation and Prevention (Awis Lecture Series),
Awakening the Natural Genius of Black Children

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdoDPej_YU
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA40OrU6pGk
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j5batIPJzw
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kh-wqcjXR4&
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gayW7...eature=related
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MraYw...eature=related

Psychologist Dr Joy Degrew;
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing

and psychologist Jawanzaa Kunjufu;
Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys, Vols. 1-4,
Motivating and Preparing Black Youth for Success,
Developing Positive Self-Images & Discipline in Black Children

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhZzI...rom=PL&index=7
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmw3...08B4C2&index=8
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_KI...08B4C2&index=9
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_KI...08B4C2&index=9
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx3xZ...8B4C2&index=11
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Therefore it is imperative that we go back to those who have dedicated their lives to solutions to this issue since it has a psychological root;
like Psychologist Amos Wilson;
Black-On-Black Violence: The Psychodynamics of Black Self-Annihilation in Service of White Domination,
Understanding Black Adolescent Male Violence: Its Remediation and Prevention (Awis Lecture Series),
Awakening the Natural Genius of Black Children

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvdoDPej_YU
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA40OrU6pGk
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j5batIPJzw
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kh-wqcjXR4&
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gayW7...eature=related
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MraYw...eature=related

Psychologist Dr Joy Degrew;
Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing

and psychologist Jawanzaa Kunjufu;
Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys, Vols. 1-4,
Motivating and Preparing Black Youth for Success,
Developing Positive Self-Images & Discipline in Black Children

1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhZzI...rom=PL&index=7
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmw3...08B4C2&index=8
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_KI...08B4C2&index=9
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_KI...08B4C2&index=9
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx3xZ...8B4C2&index=11
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Since you posted the link to the video featuring comrade Kwame Ture, then you should know (not to be dogmatic) that the only solution is REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE and the overthrow of capitalism. Capitalism cannot be reformed. It must be destroyed. Reformist measures have not, and will not work. Black/African people are systematically marginalized within capitalism and race and class oppression and exploitation go hand in hand. One can not be defeated without the defeat of the other. Peace!
 

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Until we sieze and control what the IN THING is, this trend will continue.

it's not so much poverty or lack of education, speak to some of these youth counselors and church and mosque volunteers who visit thes penal institutions and they will tell you straight up, many young men see prison as a Rights of Passage.

We need to change the paradigm.

The prison population increased after COINTELPRO, desimated the Black movement in the mid to late 70s and the community was floooded with druga, there was an upsurge of imprisonment , but not of Black youth.
in the 70s there wwere over 15 different gangs in NYC but youth did not sell hard drugs or listen to music glorifying that or other crimes like murder and pimping.
The crime rate and prison rate increaseddramaticaly as well as the youth homicide rate during the early 80s.
Gangsta rap glorified criming and prison life.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfj1c3G6mY&feature=related

It was easy for children as young as 12 or 13 to sell crack and heroin in the major cities as well as carry a gun.
This was a new phenomenon.

Once the syndrome is reversed the pathology is reversed,
but it has to take a national unified effort because these little groups and things we do here and there are not effective in stemming this tide.

Now in NYC there are basicaly only 2 gangs in the Black community and 6 in the hispanic, but the slinging continues and the prisons get filled.
Once we realize that we are fighting against a business rather then just some children falling through the cracks, then maybe we will realize that greater efforts and different methodologies must take place.

I have always stressed the 7 Principles of the Ngozo saba.
Umoja (Unity)
To strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.
Kujichagulia (Self-Determination)
To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.
Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility)
To build and maintain our community together and make our brother's and sister's problems our problems and to solve them together.
Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics)
To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.
Nia (Purpose)
To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
Kuumba (Creativity)
To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
Imani (Faith)
To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle

Now if the youth knew and embraced that the ay they embrace, thier Crips initiations, and getting Blooded, and thesecret handshakes then much of what is going on will subside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhZzIx6aKqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmw37HsQQw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_KIP5EmVs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSBtLeOPfc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx3xZPSYKis&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zhuHjOxI0&feature=related
Communtiy
Reform
Inner
Party
Service.

The concept of "blood" from socialist oriented African Blood Brotherhood. So what happened? Blame it all on COINTELPRO? I think not. Problem was/is shift of internal efforts from revolution into REFORM movement due to bourgeois aspirations of Black "revolutionary" leaders who failed to commit what Huey P. Newton referred as "revolutionary (class) suicide.

So the point is, we can NOT stop Black men from being incarcerated unless we destroy the institutionalized racist SYSTEM of capitalism which marginalizes Black men who are economically "superfluous appendages" of the system.

Back to the "gangs". Even many gang intervention "specialists" do not posess the political education skills or knowledge required to effect revolutionary change because most do not even know the history of their own gangs. If history is a "passport to the future", one will have limited results if one does not know the historical context whoich made "intervention" a necessity to begin with. This leads one to focus on band-aid solutions while the body is hemorraging.
 

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So after ttacking the solutions presented by experts

Communtiy
Reform
Inner
Party
Service.

The concept of "blood" from socialist oriented African Blood Brotherhood. So what happened? Blame it all on COINTELPRO? I think not. Problem was/is shift of internal efforts from revolution into REFORM movement due to bourgeois aspirations of Black "revolutionary" leaders who failed to commit what Huey P. Newton referred as "revolutionary (class) suicide.

So the point is, we can NOT stop Black men from being incarcerated unless we destroy the institutionalized racist SYSTEM of capitalism which marginalizes Black men who are economically "superfluous appendages" of the system.

Back to the "gangs". Even many gang intervention "specialists" do not posess the political education skills or knowledge required to effect revolutionary change because most do not even know the history of their own gangs. If history is a "passport to the future", one will have limited results if one does not know the historical context whoich made "intervention" a necessity to begin with. This leads one to focus on band-aid solutions while the body is hemorraging.
What exactly is your solution or plan other then a slogan and rhetoric?
 

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What exactly is your solution or plan other then a slogan and rhetoric?
What or who EXACTLY did I attack?

As I stated, YOU posted the Kwame Ture video. Since I worked with brother Ture, I explained what he often would explain. That only revolutionary struggle would eliminate the problems folks are addressing here. So, as I figured, you accuse me of rhetoric and sloganeering.

I stated before I have spent over the last 30 years working in community service. As an educator and working in non-profit sector. Since you appeared at this site after I went on hiatus I don't know you well enough to give more specific detail.

I already stated the SOLUTION is revolutionary struggle, not reformism. You can consider this rhetoric but then you dont really KNOW Kwame Ture...or do you? And I mean do you REALLY know Kwame personally? I worked with him whan I was at UCLA (organizing speaking tours) where I was a campus coordinator for the AAPRP.

What good are posting videos while at the same time rejecting the essence of the teaching? Seems rather self-serving to me in effort to get "hits". Peace!
 

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What or who EXACTLY did I attack?

As I stated, YOU posted the Kwame Ture video. Since I worked with brother Ture, I explained what he often would explain. That only revolutionary struggle would eliminate the problems folks are addressing here. So, as I figured, you accuse me of rhetoric and sloganeering.

I stated before I have spent over the last 30 years working in community service. As an educator and working in non-profit sector. Since you appeared at this site after I went on hiatus I don't know you well enough to give more specific detail.

I already stated the SOLUTION is revolutionary struggle, not reformism. You can consider this rhetoric but then you dont really KNOW Kwame Ture...or do you? And I mean do you REALLY know Kwame personally? I worked with him whan I was at UCLA (organizing speaking tours) where I was a campus coordinator for the AAPRP.

What good are posting videos while at the same time rejecting the essence of the teaching? Seems rather self-serving to me in effort to get "hits". Peace!
Who said i worshiped Kwame Toure'

Is this a personal ish?

I presented several solutions and you had taken the time to dig up more thank you, now since this is a serious issue, where are your solutions?

And please no romanticized ideas just simple solutions that folks can achieve, other then rhetoric and slogans
 

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Who said i worshiped Kwame Toure'

Is this a personal ish?

I presented several solutions and you had taken the time to dig up more thank you, now since this is a serious issue, where are your solutions?

And please no romanticized ideas just simple solutions that folks can achieve, other then rhetoric and slogans
I started posting on this site in 2002 and have over 6,000 posts. Nothing personal, just stating my perspective. As far as presenting solutions, I work on solving problems daily through my actions as an educator and community organizer. I will continue to let my actions speak for themselves rather than pose hypothetical questions which lead to lip service and non-actualized ego gratification. Peace!
 

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I started posting on this site in 2002 and have over 6,000 posts. Nothing personal, just stating my perspective. As far as presenting solutions, I work on solving problems daily through my actions as an educator and community organizer. I will continue to let my actions speak for themselves rather than pose hypothetical questions which lead to lip service and non-actualized ego gratification. Peace!
no disrespect brother but I see nothing about this post that says folks are here to show and tell their life history,

just asked a simple question about solutions,
real actual solutions to a serious problem, now what exactly do you see wrong with

Jawanzaa Kunjufu, or Amos Wilson or Dr. Degruy, or the Nguzo Saba?
 

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What or who EXACTLY did I attack?

As I stated, YOU posted the Kwame Ture video. Since I worked with brother Ture, I explained what he often would explain. That only revolutionary struggle would eliminate the problems folks are addressing here. So, as I figured, you accuse me of rhetoric and sloganeering.

I stated before I have spent over the last 30 years working in community service. As an educator and working in non-profit sector. Since you appeared at this site after I went on hiatus I don't know you well enough to give more specific detail.

I already stated the SOLUTION is revolutionary struggle, not reformism. You can consider this rhetoric but then you dont really KNOW Kwame Ture...or do you? And I mean do you REALLY know Kwame personally? I worked with him whan I was at UCLA (organizing speaking tours) where I was a campus coordinator for the AAPRP.

What good are posting videos while at the same time rejecting the essence of the teaching? Seems rather self-serving to me in effort to get "hits". Peace!
Welcome back brotha Omo :)

You've been missed
 

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