Black People : How Do We Become Proactive?

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  1. happy69

    happy69 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    We have to admit that mass immigration is taking it's toll on the black community. I don't know how many stories I have read that say just that. I know that it has had many affects on the White community too... much more than probably is noted; if you take for instance the number of anti-immigrant organizations that have sprung up all over the country- although I find some more racist; they all mostly lament on how this has taken a toll moreso on us, African-Americans... now whether or not you believe the sincerity of these arguments, it is up to you....
    But, it behooves me to understand why we are not more proactive- today- in the face of this.
    White America is being smart about it.... why are we not?
    If we are affected- and we are...
    Whites have law suits against Tyson Chicken... and South Central Bell in FLA...
    All over California, Whites are taking action against the influx, by moving out of neighborhoods...hell, leaving Cali... if you go to American Patrol.Com, you will find at least 5 of the the websites on the links page are from there.... and immigration has infiltrated the black areas more????
    Hell, there is also a group that is suing President Bush for his inaction on this influx...
    So, why are we not more proactive?
    I don't mean we have to be racists--- like many Mexicans are about Blacks (again this is superficial on my part, this is just from discussions... and reading)....
    1. If you lose your job, sue... you don't blame the immigrant, but the company
    2. Refuse to do business where we are not included--- or if it is heavily immigrant
    (in Oregon, I think, or Seattle--- Whites refuse to buy houses built with mostly or all immigrants (and they are bold enough to say legal or illegal))
    3. Get our kids back in hand; and our communities, and have some say on who comes in... and keep our kids away from people who have ill contentions about them....
    4. Look out for ourselves first.... I'm so tired of us always bringing someone else along for the ride.... for example, I will use the entertainment industry:
    Spike Lee had to bring Rosie Perez along.... I have read some derogatory things that she has said about Blacks
    Puffy had to help JLo-- and Black folk still trying to claim her.... they put her on the black beauty list; and she stated that she was not (and she was right!)... they said her music was "black" and the PR said that it was Spanish!!! And I know, we still don't get it.... and no, it didn't bother me about her Nig- reference to Puffy (he acts like one); but come on in the context of the song, and where she grew up etc.... we knew what she meant...
    John Leguizamo, hangs around, still waiting for his real break, and then as usual it's adios negritos....
    And what about all those Hispanics in videos????
    Another one; why do Black politicians always include Hispanics with us... you never hear Asians doing that or Whites; not even their "kinfolk" Indians--- why?

    I mean, to be proactive, does not mean that we have to be racist, or anything like that - we have to look out for number one first- that's us....
    We are the only ones talking about coalitioning with other groups... while everyone else is coalitioning with themselves.

    We have to unite. In everyway, I don't know what is taking us so long to open our eyes to this.

    Am I off base? What are your suggestions? Can we be proactive, to protect our own interests?
     
  2. j'hiah

    j'hiah Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    great choice topic.
    l agree. You can be proactive. it's better than noactive.
     
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    Activism can be passive and aggressive...

    We all should start with our families and then spread abroad...

    Before integration, we were all bound by a common thread, racism. Racism is still here but since we have made gains in certain areas, some feel it no longer exists.

    In Atlanta, many middle and upper middle income Blacks are doing a self-imposed segregation. They prefer to live in neighborhoods with people who look like them. Of course, comes the accusation from whites that Blacks don't want to mingle.

    All in all, I feel Blacks are tired of trying to make whites feel comfortable around them and are doing their own thing.
     
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    Hello Everyone:

    Sorry that I have been away; well I am still away, and checking in on things.

    We have to get proactive and think about our own self-interests-as a people.

    You can affiliate yourself with any political party... your economic and/or social status can be whatever it is... and guess what- we are still African-American people 34 million strong...

    Regina... it is basically the same in Louisiana- there are some of the most beautiful Af-Am neighborhoods that you would want to see.... and the myth that property values etc,... decrease is just that- a myth... but there is absolutely nothing wrong with us wanting to be around and with us... I live in such a neighborhood; and come from such a place..... and I love it. It is quiet... everyone keeps up their yards and everything, and we all sleep well at night...
    There is nothing wrong with living around other kinds of people; hell, where I come from- a middle-classed neighborhood; there are still plenty of whites there... who want the place to stay as nice as it has been; and just to be fair, I also think that Section 8 has taken a toll on our neighborhoods too... and it is time for us to take it back....
    My problem is with Af-Ams who don't know any better; or perpetuate the myths of black neighborhoods... then they move out to places with mostly whites--- then complain about the way that they are treated when they get there! Or you write off Black schools and colleges (by the way 98% of them are top-notched) and most of our people who want leadership come from them- both dems and repubs.... and catch hell, then you expect us as a community to come in pat your head and say, "What racists they are!" I am tired of that. God, I may be wrong but it happens, racism will not end; and when our kids are faced with that kind of situation-- they are so ill-prepared these days... but that is another story, to face it... and we report it... but I have gotten to the point whereby I say... you went there; not because it was better, but because you perceived it as better.... so get a thick skin and deal... those of us who understand our history know that our foremothers and forefathers went through all that with pride to make it better and easier for us.... and that self-love is the number one ingredient in fighting this kind of bs... and it is sad that some don't know.

    We have things that we need to work on to get to where we want to be.... environment; economic; social--- with each other.... and tell me that we won't rock things..... we are walking around lost right now- and still we are being sought out--- it is sad that some of us don't understand the kind of power, we have... it is sad; or we wouldn't be wasting time on trivialities and deal with the things that we need to as a people; and a counteractive measure to immigration is one of them.... and it is so easy...
    but we don't know.

    I love y'all; have a good one!
     
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    in agreement !!!!
     
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    Oh, YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy69...you are so right!!! I applaud your passion and your articulate dissertation. Self-love people!!! That's where it starts!!! Love who you are and open your EYES!!! I'm happiest when I'm around my own people; there's no question about it. There's something to be said when you don't have to explain yourself all the time or defend your existence. Why is it that we're always made to feel "different" no matter where we are...boardroom or washroom, it's the same. Don't you get tired of being the token and spokesperson for your race when you're around other people not like you? I know I do. I'm not a racist but I am discriminating. I fight these battles every day and when I go home, I don't want to fight there too. Yes, when are we going to figure out this thing called "racism"? When are we going to take a stand for ourselves and ourselves alone? When are we going to stop believing the hype and thinking we have arrived at a better place and time since there are a few laws on the books that have allowed us to maneuver in the white communities? Now that the conservatives have launched a successful attack on affirmative action, soon, that too will come to an end. The white man is the greatest mind pimp on the planet but we don't have to live his lies. Why can't we stand strong in our own convictions and rebuke that bs? Look at our families. Look at how we treat one another? How can we be so kind and tolerant of others and not to ourselves? When you see another Black face at your workplace, on the street, in a movie or commercial on television...what thoughts run through your minds? Why are we so quick to give our hard earned money away instead of keeping it longer in our own communities? We give our inventions away, we give our athleticism away, we break our backs and sweat for others, hoping to be noticed and treated kindly. We take our meager paychecks home and what do we do with them, where do we spend the money? When we don't get what we think we fairly deserve, most of us walk away quietly and deny, deny, deny that anything is wrong and heaven forbid if anything is wrong, that it could possibly be due to racism, right? We take that anger and frustration that has built up throughout a work week home with us on Friday night and spread it in our communities and our households. We spit the venom at each other. Husbands and wives argue, children often go neglected in terms of receiving emotional support. For the regular churchgoers, we try to get some relief on Sundays during a sermon, then we wake up Monday morning, jump back in the rat race and do it all over again...and again....and again. Black people have purchasing power but where do we usually spend our money? Certainly not in our communities like the Jews and Asians. Every Black person, rich or poor, light-skinned or dark, at some point in life will be looked at the same. The outcome doesn't have to be as bad as the current condition. There is salvation and it's within each of us. Read, learn, talk to each other, support, grow, develop a vision and purpose and act!
     
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    Wondering

    I agree totally with the self-love and being proactive in our effort to become stronger as a race. I am, however, wondering how and why does the racial make up of the community prevent us from being the best that we can be. Of coiurse I understand being more comfortable around your own. But to answer the question Queen...no I never get tired of being the spokesperson for my race. Number one...I feel I am a good representative ...Number two...It is not a fight for me, it is growth... and Number three...I should be free to feel comfortable ANYWHERE I AM. The problem is that many of us do not have enough self-esteem, self-love, and strength to face our own faults with an open mind and the spirit of growth.

    How does immigration affect us? Why does should it matter to us who moves into our country as long as they don't mean us any harm? If we focus on us (where all of our problems come from) and stop focusing on what others think of us or are doing to us THEN we can become proactive and affect real change...intellectualy, econmically and spirtually.
     
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    Dre, responding to a portion of what you wrote: "To answer the question Queen...no I never get tired of being the spokesperson for my race. Number one...I feel I am a good representative ...Number two...It is not a fight for me, it is growth... and Number three...I should be free to feel comfortable ANYWHERE I AM."

    Well frankly, I get very tired of ignorant people wanting me to be the poster child for the Black race. I deal with this every day due to the nature of my work which is in the area of civil rights. People who don't want to become educated, who want to remain perpetually ignorant, constantly asking questions about us like we were aliens from another planet. Yes, I get tired and most days I refuse to "teach" people what it's like to be Black in America. Growth? I'm very comforable in my skin, it's some White people who aren't comfortable being around people like me, and that becomes a problem in the real world. I agree that you should feel comfortable ANYWHERE you are. I don't think anyone in their right mind that you ask would deny that they don't feel the same way. But let's be honest...everywhere you are isn't always a comfortable place to be regardless of how we feel. Sometimes in order to achieve that level of comfort that we seek and feel we deserve, we have to fight for it. The world just isn't as perfect as we would like for it to be and there are those among us who are more passive or who feel powerless to do anything to make things better. My approach may be different and I might be a bit more radical in my thinking than some but I believe that sometimes in order to grow, you have to fight for what you believe is right. And I mean that figuratively and literally. Maybe we need to adopt some of the strategies used in the military where there are different units skilled in different areas and deployed for special purposes. That way, maybe all of us, representing different limbs, can be useful to the entire body.
     
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    I understand Queen but my question is what are you fight for. Are you fighting for them to all of a sudden become less ignorant or for them to treat us as equals? The fact is neigher is going to happen in our lifetime and frankly i could care less. Their ignorance only affects me if they mean me bodily harm. They can't touch my mind, my spirit, or my resolve to be the best person i can be mentally, physically, spiritually, and financially.

    Dre'
     
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    Well, Dre', all I can say to that is....It's obvious you never suffered from PMS! :D
     
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