Black People : How Do Others See Us Too?

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  1. chuck

    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Generally speaking and writing, however we conceive and perceive of each other, people of african descent--black folk--etc. are the second most visible bunch of folk in this nation...

    Yes, while some of the issues and problems, i. e., which some did and do allude to, be it people of Arab/Middleeastern or Mexican nationals etc., also did or do reflect what they choose to believe and/or what others--some whites--would have them to:

    Can you say and write that we--either as individuals--or as a people--are any different?

    You tell me!

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  2. skuderjaymes

    skuderjaymes Contextualizer Synthesizer MEMBER

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    break it down for me chuck.. I don't understand what you're asking?

    are we any different from what? white folks?.. immigrants?....?

    help me out.
     
  3. chuck

    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Good evening, bruh...

    And--I'm writing/talking/etc. about--here--are Arab/Middleeastern descended people--and-- there--people who identify themselves as either Chicanos and/or Mexican-Americans...

    Arabs-- under the banner of Islam-- tried to conquer the African continent-- south of the Sahara--(desert)-- over a thousand years ago:

    So, some of modern Africa and/or its peoples issues/problems/etc. had to do with that part of Africa--north of the Sahara--(desert)-- the Muslim Arabs did conquer and/or do control, directly or indirectly, i. e., also via those arabized kneegrows who (lord over) rule the Sudan etc.

    Also-- our issues and problems-- as well as those of the black disapora via Mexico/Central and South America etc.--may have less to do with those particular indigenous people--more to do with others among them-- i.e , who are actually a mixture between past Spanish invaders etc. and the indian women they mated with--though some of both types have been in contact with african descended folk for centuries and wherever else some of our distant ancestors wound up--both by chance-- and-- by choice...

    Some of them either can't or don't or won't admit to it:

    But-- those of us--here-- who also kick it with others in the disapora--elsewhere--at least do know and understand some of the facts-- and oh too well!

    Simply put:

    Some of everywhere else, different slaves/different masters...

    In either and all cases?

    Ignorance is not 'bliss':

    As in ours (as in the states)...

    A lot about the true history, i. e., of the so called 'New World' (and the old one) we needed to know a long time ago, both as individuals and/or as a people...

    Also time etc. for one and all to play catch up!

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  4. Omowale Jabali

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    i got an idea of what you asking but not quite sure.

    anyway, i will try to answer and hope i make some sense in light of what you ask.

    i just helped a friend complete a final exam paper for a class at ucla dealing with politics in latino communities.

    one of the issues had to do with latinos trying to deal with the issue of exclusion and a "black-white binary" in which they gotta work their agenda either thorugh latino/a cultural orgs or through coalition politics. at same time they dealing with identity conflict chicano/ latino v. hispanic. some recognize the african and indienous nature of their identity while some trying to play the whiteness game. just like black folks who historically "passed". i learned from this how similar our struggles are and in much of the literature i read i could replace the word latino with african and found more similarity than difference.

    the thing is though latinos view black folks as insiders who are over-represented in many fields while seeing themselves largely as outsiders.

    asians, muslims, etc. also tend to view africans in america as "more" assimilated and have to deal with this "binary" system in which they are the fastest growing minority group in many areas but even more underrepresented in "mainstream" culture than blacks and latinos.

    holla holla! i will give some sources later but one writer is orozco and another is paez.

    http://www.questia.com/library/book...by-mariela-m-paez-marcelo-m-suarez-orozco.jsp
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    aight check this...

    http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/clr/library/perea01.html

    The Black/White Binary Paradigm of race has become the subject of increasing interest and scrutiny among some scholars of color. This Article uses Thomas Kuhn's notions of paradigm and the properties of paradigms to explore several leading works on race. The works the author explores demonstrate the Black/White paradigm of race and some of its properties, among them extensive paradigm elaboration over the years. Paradigms have limitations, however. Among them is a tendency to truncate history for the sake of telling a linear story of progress. The author demonstrates how one constitutional law text truncates history, by omitting entirely Mexican-American struggles for desegregation, and presenting a linear story of the Black struggle for civil rights. Omitting important history from the narrative of civil rights history becomes extraordinarily damaging, since it distorts history and contributes to the marginalization of non-Black peoples of color. While recognizing the centrality of slavery and White racism against Blacks at the core of American history and society, this Article seeks to expand our understanding o racism through the use of legal history. The author contends that mutual and particularized understanding of racism as it affects all people of color has the potential to enhance our abilities to understand each other and to join together to fight the common evil of racism.
     
  6. Omowale Jabali

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    this is from an asian-am. perspective

    Now, Asians and Latinos and other racialized minorities who do not fit into that black-white binary pose a problem for that kind of racialized thinking. The binary itself, by the way, is very functional. Obviously it is an invention, first of all. Who is white, for example, is an invention, and the category "white" is an elastic one. It includes different peoples at different times; for example, at some point Irish people were not included within the category "white" within the United States. Similarly, the category "black" is an invented category and is also an elastic one.

    http://www.fathom.com/feature/35666/index.html
     
  7. Omowale Jabali

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    "So, when Asians are admitted into schools or when they are employed, they are frequently not targeted as minority students or employees. They frequently do not fall under the category of affirmative action. And Asians themselves are puzzled as to where they belong; are they minorities or are they white people? Some people might argue that Asians are simply white ethnics in that way, not a racialized other. So I think there is a contemporary confusion around Asians that may not be their own creation or their own challenge, but an imposition on their identities."

    the statement above is from the last article. as you can see there is confusion among the asian-am community and at the core of this identity confusion is the concept of "racialization".

    the core arguments basically assert that the only truly "racialized" ethnic group are black folks and alot of this has to do with legislation passed through the supreme court which gave black folks "access" to the system while other groups "legally" remain excluded.
     
  8. Omowale Jabali

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    i realized this a few years ago.

    the fact also that we historically have identified as "coloured" folk kinda makes us like the middle men or the "buffers" similar to the position of the "coloureds" in south africa under apartheid.

    we even have many of the same prejudices against other minority groups that are expressed by white folks, and are more resistent to inter-marriage and "inclusion" of asians and latinos into our civic and cultural organizations.

    we can deny all this but again, you asking about how others see us, not how we see them.
     
  9. Omowale Jabali

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    aww...i might take some heat for this but an example of what i said above is a recent post i was reading where one poster mentioned something about the sexual practices of asian women and "bukkake".

    as if bukkake is a practice that all asian women are involved in or as if its limited to asian women. i won't go into detail but thats what google is for.

    when i saw that comment i started thinking about what r kelly did to that young sister.
     
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    I understand it all and why we are seen by others,
    great post of Answers brother omowalejabali
     
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