Black People : How Blacks are demonized in the media, and not whites.

[Kadijah]

See, before such an issue (mass migration) could come to be, MEXICO (the gov't) had to be weakened, economically. I'm thinking in terms of the World Bank, U.S. gov't loan payment schedules with Mexico--stuff like this. An overwhelming *need* had to come into being for Mexico's gov't--a circumstance which would be felt harshly by Mexico's most vulnerable people *first*--which would then ultimately compel Mexico's poor to risk the migration north.

And how did the unemployed black hog butchers in the South contribute to the breakdown of the Mexican economy? Or the unemployed construction day laborer blacks in Las Vegas? Or even the WHITE crane operator who USED to make $20 - $30/hour but now has to take less because a (white-looking ) illegal will do the job for $10/hr.? Or the recent WHITE Teacher's College grad in Texas who can't get a job in her profession in her little home town because she can't speak Spanish? What about the unionized WHITE men in Milwaukee who USED to make $18/hr. 20 years ago, who because of the gift of NAFTA, their plants moved to Mexico and are now working for minimum wage - what did they do to "break down" the economy of Mexico? (We're not even going to talk about the 50% unemployment of adult black men in that city, many of whose industry jobs were another gift to Mexico).

I remember maybe two things about people from Mexico *back in the day*:

• Mexicans may have liked American tourist dollars, but there was *no love* for the American people (Ugly American issues). In fact, I actually think they despised Americans, by and large.
• Mexico's economy collapsed (started falling apart in the late 70s and totally unwheeled during the '80s and '90s). Blam! Stalled. Collapsed. The peso was utterly worthless, inflation was ravaging their small economy, their gov't was RUINED with graft, and the majority poor people faced mass starvation.

IONO. I'd have to take a bit of time to really look at this issue in any kind of detail for any stuff that's not commonly known, but I think I'm on a right track in what I've so far put into this post.

In defense of Mexicans without one mention of negatively-impacted black Americans who had nothing to do with the collapse of the peso yet wound up equally as victims, yes you did. Your "facts", however, weren't quite kosher.

psssst! Since it was irrelevant to the convo, I didn't mention that MOST Irish immigrants did NOT come through Ellis Island, as you claimed. They came in through ports in the South.

Trust, in response to a kind of taunt that a Sister from the Caribbean sort of tossed off to me regarding the treatment of the Haitian refugees 'as opposed to refugees arriving from her own island' during a dialog at another site, I came back at her with a comment that was something like this:


"If we Blacks in this country decide we can't keep doing as bad or worse than the Cuban or Haitian boat people were doing in their home countries, then maybe all yaw in the Caribbean should get ready for *boatloads* of AAs (African Americans) arriving on yaw's shores. Imagine.....40 MILLION AAs beaching our boats on all of yaw's shores!" I posted something like this to her.


Just the thought, I guess. Chick got real mad at me...LOL!

I'm not sure what this means? Especially since Cubans (the white-looking ones, at least - let us not forget the dark-skinned Mariel boat people's treatment!) were WELCOMED in the U.S., and to this day, any Cuban who jumps in a dinghy and reaches American shores will be hailed a HERO.... I don't get the lumping in of the original chinchilla-wrapped and bejeweled Cuban refugees with desperately poor and/or politically oppressed Haitians (many of whom were eating "dirt cakes") who TO THIS DAY are ROUTINELY shipped back to Haiti and, during the Clinton Administration, were killed upon return.

 

[Fieldpea]

More Pro-black and knowledgeable than passionate, I'd say.


NAFTA is much more detrimental to U.S. workers than to Mexican ones, especially since it allowed U.S. companies to leave the country with the government's blessing and build factories in Mexico.


That would TRIPLE the present U.S. population, so no, I don't think so.

• You're kidding, of course? This is so.... wrong!... I don't even know where to begin!

"tens and many more tens of thousands of presently *illegal workers* who hold PhDs, Master's, BA/BS degrees, too, as well as trade school certifications." What "illegals" hold these types of degrees? Surely not the MILLIONS of Mexicans (1/2 of all illegals in the U.S., combined) who wade with their kids across the Rio Grande in the dead of night, hoping to slip past border guards and vigilante-militias with scoped rifles hoping to pick them off.... then hop with 20 other illegals into a flatbed truck where many die before they get to their destinations? Surely you're not implying PhDs and Master's, etc. from other S. American countries risk rape, robbery, maiming, mutilation and death at the hands of MEXICAN police (who don't play with no "illegals" in THEIR country!) as well as Mexican gangs when they illegally "slip" into and travel across Mexico to get to the Rio Grande to wade into the U.S.? Uh, you have heard of the "brain drain," haven't you, Fieldpea, where the U.S. WELCOMES the highly educated of other nations to immigrate LEGALLY to the U.S. There's no need for such people to break the nation's immigration laws, at all; they're SOUGHT after!


Case in point: IT specialist students at Indian universities are RECRUITED by Silicon Valley and now technological firms in Utah(?). They come to America on special workers' visas under a PROGRAM set up especially for them by the U.S. Congress. They work here for 7 years (earning about 3/4 of what white workers make, legally - not citizens, thus equal pay for equal work doesn't apply to them... and since those firms don't usually hire black people, we're "moot"), then go back home.... at which time, the companies RECRUIT another Indian grad to take their place.

Trade school certificates? In Mexico? Doubt it. Nurses from the Philippines, however, I do know are RECRUITED by not hospitals, but the U.S. government (they have some kind of agreement for favors the Philippine government did for the U.S. in the past whereby EVERY GRADUATE of Philippine nursing schools who so desires can immigrate LEGALLY to the U.S. and be placed in a hospital.Again, no need to "sneak" across borders.

Painters, sculptors, construction workers? Uh, Fieldpea.... should these folk sneak across the border, no one will be waiting to help them to obtain citizenship. And why, for pete's sake, would a painter or sculptor have to, want to "sneak" ANYWHERE?! Especially if they have a good reputation in their OWN country? Maybe construction workers, uh, people who work with their "backs?" Wow. Painters and sculptors can live anywhere in the world. Good rep at home and can sell their works without leaving their houses to anyone IN THE WORLD who is interested. Makes no sense. As for "ballerinas," they don't sneak into the country; they "defect."

Which is why I'm for stemming the tide, i.e., criminals taking the jobs of unskilled, under-educated black people and DEPRESSING the wages of ALL Americans. And for anyone who doesn't 'think' of illegals as criminals, try sneaking into Mexico and see if your "black" butt isn't thrown UNDER their jails... for the criminal you would be for breaking Mexico's immigration laws. Fieldpea, you spoke of NAFTA which allows "free trade" between the U.S. and Mexico to the south and Canada to the north? Commercial trucks can travel freely along the highways (don't get stopped at the border like private vehicles and checked for contraband, usually, people or otherwise). 8-wheelers from Mexico can gas up in the U.S. at American prices. If American truckers "gas up" in Mexico, they DON'T get cheaper Mexican prices (there's oil in Mexico and the government subsidizes it... for Mexicans, ONLY). If the Americans pretend they work for a Mexican company, they get huge fines and/or jail time (and they're usually caught).

Does anyone seriously believe white folk care if black people are unemployed?

Khadijah, if you want to know more about how it is that Mexico's educated class has been crossing the border over decades, then take time to research the way the Mexican educational system operates. Truly. I suggest that you approach your research in terms of sociological studies. Once you do that, then you can confirm what I posted to you in regards to Mexico's *brain drain* over the last 40-50 years. These graduates serve 24 months *inside of Mexico* as a repayment for their 100% subsidized educations.


After this mandatory 2 year, income earning internship, they 'either' set up shop inside of Mexico, and thereafter earn between $35-$50/month for their services--particularly when their typical clientele are poor--OR they cross the border and pick veggies and fruits, take jobs as laborers, as *anything*, basically, and they do it in order to earn *at least* $300/week in U.S. agri-fields all across the country.


This continues to happen, like it or not.


This is already being STUDIED (this fact) inside of U.S. universities. By the way, I'm not trying to intimate that ALL are educated. The majority of Mexican citizens crossing the border are not college educated. Too many didn't even clear grade school. They are indeed simple farm laborers who, in Mexico, would receive far, far LESS than $35-$50/month for their hard labor. But make no mistake and don't assume otherwise, Mexico has suffered a *sustained brain drain* that, because these particular Mexicans were indeed illegal arrivals, has meant that they can't practice in their chosen fields as they were blocked from applying for the state and/or federal licensing that would allow them to earn incomes at U.S. standard levels.


Being pragmatists--sometimes *starving pragmatists*--they opted to risk leaving Mexico for the $300/wk IN THE AGRI-fields of the U.S. across the border. No matter their training and educations, THEY EARN MORE when they do this.


Q: Do you see, now?


I might not like what has happened because any of them chose to cross that border, but I can recognize the desperation fueling that kind of wrenching decision. I can also *SEE A RAT*--and not just smell one--in terms of how ALL OF THIS TURMOIL was 'orchestrated'.


One Love, and PEACE

 

[Zim]

If you are really looking for an answer, look first to the 1960s and 1970s. The removal of fathers to meet the requirements for welfare assistance and the steady loss of manufacturing jobs in urban and small towns were many black families reside. The less jobs there are the greater the negative impact of racial discrimination. Unequal pay for the same work had a negative impact. Unequal opportunity to use what you do make to better your life had a negative impact. For example racial discrimination in lending and in interest rate charges for all types of loans, mortgage, business, auto, college. Turn now to the 1980s and you have a President, his CIA and his DEA and an opportunity they couldn't resist. An economically depressed and struggling community of people whose family structure has been weakened. They took full advantage and set up the perfect money laundering system and cover for Iran-Contra. They unleashed crack cocaine, other illicit drugs, and guns into these communities prolifically and with impunity. Like the plague. Do you need more dots connected for you? Like out with fight the power hip hop and in with "gangsta rap" controlled and financed by white record executives. Drug dealing becoming a source of income for the jobless. Drug crimes becoming a modern day way to fill prisons for near free and free labor.

If you have to ask yourself if black communities have always existed this way, then you need to take time to educate yourself in earnest. There is no such thing as black on black crime. That is white supremacist propaganda. There are black criminals who commit crime, just like there are white, Asian etc. criminals who commit crimes. Criminal behavior is not exclusive to black people. And in the black communities that have crime, these crimes are by far drug related and in retaliation of some sort against other criminals.

Here is a statistic that you may not be aware of. In 2011 the total number of murders in the United States with a population of over 300 million people, 42 million of whom are black, was 14,612. Any murder is a travesty. White people however, would have you believe that black people are killing whites and each other in droves.

We view each other as strangers? White supremacist propaganda runs deep. And, there is no justification for profiling black men, women, and children.

Of course I am looking for a genuine answer. Why are some people on this site so suspicious and like to penalize people for not knowing things that really aren't common knowledge? A lot of people both black and white don't know about this time period. Not once have I heard a black person refer to it on national TV.

Instead you get black people agreeing with whites about the black crime rate and other blacks looking like speechless dummys because they don't have an answer to respond with. What you said, is very conspiratorial in nature unlike slavery and jim crow etc which is blatant and documented no one would ever deny it. The reason I say more attention needs to payed to this period in history is because as of recent it has had the most negative affect on the black community and it continues to do so. Not only that but it is used not only in the Trayvon Martin case but in general to discredit and justify mistreatment of black people.

Ironically, he mentions most of what you said but he doesn't attribute the blame to anyone else except the 'entertainment' industry and black people. Light needs to be shone on that critical time period.

 

[willa]

So, let's say that the '60s '70s started a welfare dependent society because until then dad was in the house raising his boys and girls, 'cause there was no great poverty before? Poverty and drugs drives crime and killings. Fine, fine; but what can be done to change that? That is the only issue that is relevant to today's social problems. What can be done today. Are statistics made up?

 

[RAPTOR]

It's old news of how we are portrayed in the media, so this is just the latest Notice how they made this terrorist look clean and innocent. People look at this and ask: how can a white kid who look like a sexy young rock stars can be terrorists. They also go out of their way to paint them as being a good person, smart, and a good student.

But this is generally the image I see of Trayvon. It seems they go out their way to make him fit the narrative that whites have of black males.

We know how they harped on his behavior in school, even told lies about him, lies that shown to be lies are still being said about this young brutha. No one asked "how did", or "what caused" etc... They started out calling him a bad child. But when these whites shoot up schools theaters, churches, etc... The always ask how could a good kid go bad.

Peace!

That kid in the rolling stones magazine, look's like a rockstar.

Juxapose that to the following from time:

Look at how shadowy oj looks.
Look how bright and dreamy the alledged boston bomber looks. Where is his mugshot?