Discussion in 'African Traditional Religion Study Group' started by skuderjaymes, Jun 8, 2014.
Give praise and honor to all the ancestors who paved the way for us.
Ancestors have no bodies is true. As you know or may not know, Ibile asa ati esin (Isese) means Traditional African culture/ religion. A tradition based on African Bloodlines.
These bloodlines are descended from Orunmila and The Orisa.
In Osa-Ika. Ifa says we (Black Afrikans) are the children of Ifa:
O sa kadi
O rin kadi
Difa fun Orunmila
Ifa nlo ree te ile Aye do
Ifa lo bi wa bawonyi berere
cut the crap are you white or black?
The bloodlines go back to the time when the Orisa and my ancestors had direct and physical interaction with each other. The time period is incalculable.
I have a Scots-irish white male ancestor, not Egun...in my family tree from the 1850's. Does this make me white? Do I have the right to claim Scots-Irish culture as my own,, including their respective Gods and heroes? No, I cannot and would not.
You may choose to believe what you like, however the culture does not support your beliefs. Neither do the Irunmole and Ifa.
Traditional African Religion is part of Black African Culture. The Black Africans in Africa and the Diaspora have a direct claim and in fact a duty to embrace the culture of our ancestors.
As to why you were "initiated" I'll tell you like I tell any non-Black person in your predicament. If your elders didn't know any better they should have
There is no intent to disrespect anyone. Its not what I say or believe but about what Ifa says.
As I explained before, Traditional African Culture (Isese). This would include all the various traditional societies and guilds (Ogboni, Gelefe, Egungun kwk)Yorubaland and among the Fon and Ewe kwk in Afrika
Isese is not ecumenical. Its only racist when it applies to black culture. Jews exclude people from their culture every day because they say their God tells them to do this. Nobody ever questions them.
Do you think it makes a difference in whether one communicates with the Orisa in Yoruba or English? If the answer is no then you would also have to conclude it would makes no difference in speaking English or Japanese in front of a Shinto Shrine. None of their deities would recognize you or understand what you were saying.
Egun means bone. Why do you think it means bone? Why is there a specific language for Egun?
Yes, Awos are Initiating"" non-Blacks but look at the curre nt state of affairs of their nation, towns and villages. They have little to no support from their Egun and Orisa because they are breaking Ewoo (taboos). Ibadan was once burned to the ground for breaking taboo of Sango
Again...any Ikin or Ikoko Orisa given to non-Afrikans have no Ase. Why do you think the Awos performing the so-called initiation fail to consultIfa to find out the name of the clan the soul descended from and what taboos to adhere to in addition to inform them whether the soul descended from the male or female line. Its because they can't. They know Ifa wouldn't even recognize outsiders
So no offense, it is Impossible for you to have descended from the Orisa or any Group of Black Africans.
If you can find an Odu that says Whites, Asians or any other Non-Black group can be initiated pleaser show me.
Once again, Traditional cultures are not ecumenical, particularly when it comes to their spiritual system. Show me a culture that is and Ill show you a people who have little to no autonomy
You won't find it with Traditional Japanese Culture. You won't find it with Orthodoxed Jews, You'd be hard pressed to find with the Akan and Fon.
Are you asking if I'm descended from an Oba of Benin city or the Republic of Benin. If its the former the title would indeed an Oba. If its the latter the title be an Axosu Both of which would have to be qualified as a paramount King of just King. Actually I descended from a Baale. But what does this have anything to do with truth?
Speaking of Benin and Obas and chiefs. I know an Axosu who has gone on record to how Fa has been admonishing Yoruba Chiefs and priests for "Initiating ' non-Blacks.Fa says they are losing they're Ase for breaking the aforementioned Taboos.
No. I didn't say only Black Afrikans have bones, I asked you why does the word Egun mean bone?
The reason I asked you the question was to make the point that this is a bloodline ancestral religion.
I can't control what you or anyone thinks in their mind about me. Frankly its irrelevant.
I'll say this about you, you seem dedicated in your convictions and i applaud you in the work you say you're doing for Afrikan youth out in the Bay Area.
My contribution in this thread is not to judge your beliefs or lack of knowledge pertaining to Isese but to underscore the misappropriation of Traditional culture and spiritual lore on the part of Elders.
This has little to do with you and everything to do with them. Many of theses Elders and chiefs are the very same incarnate souls who sold their own family members and other Afrikans into slavery.
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