Brother AACOOLDRE : HONARABLE DISCHARGE?

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  1. AACOOLDRE

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The fact that bush was Honorably discharged only means bush got away with AWOL.On september 5, 1972 first LT George Bush was ordered to report to the 187 tactical region group of the Alabama Air national guard. bush General William Turnipspeed said he never saw Bush. bush must of been like the invisible man if he was there.

    The facts remain kerry bites bullets when bush polished his nails
     
  2. AACOOLDRE

    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Here's what he did:

    George W. Bush and John Kerry both spent their mid twenties in uniform. The similarities end there.

    John Kerry

    February 18, 1966:
    A senior at Yale, Kerry commits to enlist in the Navy.

    December, 1967:
    Kerry is assigned as an Ensign to the guided-missile frigate USS Gridley. After five-months aboard, he returns to San Diego to undergo training to command a Swift boat, used by the Navy for patrols in Vietnam.

    November 17, 1968:
    Kerry arrives in Vietnam, where he is given command of Swift boat No. 44, operating in the Mekong Delta.

    December 2, 1968:
    Kerry gets his first taste of intense combat, and is wounded in the arm. He is awarded a Purple Heart.

    January, 1969:
    Kerry takes command of a new Swift boat, completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all in the Mekong Delta area.

    February 20, 1969:
    Kerry is wounded again, taking shrapnel in the left thigh, after a gunboat battle. He is awarded a second Purple Heart.

    February 28, 1969:
    Kerry and his boat crew, coming under attack while patroling in the Mekong Delta, decide to counterattack. In the middle of the ensuing firefight, Kerry leaves his boat, pursues a Viet Cong fighter into a small hut, kills him, and retreives a rocket launcher. He is awarded a Silver Star.

    March 13, 1969:
    A mine detonates near Kerry's boat, wounding him in the right arm. He is awarded a third Purple Heart. He is also awarded a Bronze Star for pulling a crew member, who had fallen overboard, back on the boat amidst a firefight.

    April, 1969:
    According to Navy rules, sailors that have been wounded three times in combat are eligible to be transfered to the U.S. for noncombat duty. Kerry is transferred to desk duty in Brooklyn, NY.

    January 3, 1970:
    Kerry requests that he be discharged early from the Navy so that he can run for Congress in Massachusetts' Third District. The request is granted, and Kerry begins his first political campaign.

    February 1970:
    Kerry drops his bid for the Democratic nomination and supports Robert F. Drinan. Drinan, a staunch opponent of the war, wins the race and goes on to serve in Congress for ten years.

    June 1970:
    Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and becomes one of the group's unofficial spokespeople.

    April 23, 1971:
    Kerry helps to organize a huge anti-war protest outside Congress, earning a place on president Richard Nixon's "enemies' list." He joins a group of Vietnam veterans who throw medals and campaign ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol.

    April 23, 1971:
    Kerry testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He tells lawmakers: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

    June, 1968:
    Kerry is promoted to Lieutenant.

    November 10, 1971:
    Kerry quits Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

    April 1972:
    Kerry moves to Massachusetts' 5th District to run for Congress again. He wins the Democratic nomination but loses to Republican Paul Cronin, in part because of his anti-war views.

    November 1972:
    After losing the election, Kerry is hired as a regional coordinator for Cooperative for American Relief to Everywhere(CARE).

    September, 1973:
    Kerry enrolls at Boston College Law School.

    Here's what Bush did:

    February, 1968:
    A senior at Yale, Bush takes an Air Force officers test. He scores in 25th percentile in the pilot aptitude portion, and declares that he does not wish to serve overseas.

    May 27, 1968:
    Bush enlists in Texas Air National Guard. Aided by Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, he jumps over waiting list. He pledges two years of active duty and four years of reserve duty.

    June 9, 1968:
    Bush's student deferment expires.

    September 1968:
    After basic training, Bush pulls inactive duty to act as gopher on Florida Senator Edward J. Gurney's campaign.

    November 1968:
    After Gurney wins, Bush is reactivated and transferred to Georgia.

    November 1969:
    Bush is flown to the White House by President Nixon for a date with daughter Tricia.

    December 1969:
    Bush transfers to Houston and moves into Chateaux Dijon complex. Laura lives there too, but they don't meet till later.

    March 1970:
    Bush gets his wings.

    June 1970:
    Bush joins the Guard's "Champagne Unit," where he flies with sons of Texas' elite.

    November 3, 1970:
    George Bush Sr. loses Senate election to Lloyd Bentsen, whose son is also in the "Champagne Unit."

    November 7, 1970:
    Bush is promoted to first lieutenant. Rejected by University of Texas School of Law.

    January 1971:
    The Texas Air National Guard begins testing for drugs during physicals.

    Spring 1971:
    Bush is hired by a Texas agricultural importer. He uses a National Guard F-102 to shuttle tropical plants from Florida.

    May 26, 1972:
    Bush transfers to Alabama Guard unit so he can work on Senator William Blount's reelection campaign. According to his commanding officer, Bush never shows up for duty while in Alabama.

    August 1972:
    Bush is grounded for missing a mandatory physical.

    November 1972:
    Bush returns to Houston, but never reports for Guard duty.

    December 1972:
    In D.C. for the holidays, Bush takes 16-year-old brother Marvin drinking and driving. Confronted by father, Bush suggests they settle it "mano a mano."

    October 1, 1973:
    The Air National Guard relieves Bush from commitment eight months early, allowing him to attend Harvard Business School.

    Kerry is a hero in the truest sense of the word. Bush, on the other hand, is referred to in the Credence Clearwater Revival song "Fortunate Son".


    When will the right stop supporting this corrupt administration and start supporting America?


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  3. yaphet al-wynn

    yaphet al-wynn Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Well, they found ONE guy that was Republican, that claim that Bush was in the 187th in AL. But there were two guys there that heard that he was coming back then but never saw him and BOTH of them WAS looking for him. One guy is in Memphis TN reported by one Memphis paper and another guy from Carolina that backed him up.
    Get this straight, an honorable discharge does not mean always that the person was exemplary in his conduct either. Maybe Bush did nothing-but seems like there is an air that he is hiding something though. He was suspended from flying in '72. He did not or refused to take a physical in the Texas ANG. Speculation, they were testing for drugs at the time. Since he refused a direct order(just speculating here now), because refusing was better than being found that he was a drug user(a court martil-nal offense). Since the brass there knew or gueesed his reason for refusal-they sent him to CO in a paper unit for disciplinary reasons, (the unit is not a unit primarily for discipline-it was either a Air or Army Reserve unit-where he was in danger of being sent to Vietnam and the Texas ANG washed their hands of him, since technically-he was no longer in the ANG. Once he was accepted at Yale, he was given the honorable discharge. Now the only way Bush can get the matter dropped if the public actually see his DD 214 or his discharge papers. Now back then they had a retention code on it (no longer in use now) depending on the code-can tell whether he was in good graces with the military when he got discharged.
     
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    Bush is a baffoon

    Question 1. How do you jump 500 people w/ the lowest possible passing score on the pilots aptitude test?

    Question 2. How do you get out 8 months early, to attend school?

    Question 3. How do you tell the Air Forcce where you are going to serve.?

    The more you look into the whole Bush reserve-gate thing, the more you realize it as nothing more then a story of a very well connected son of a Texas Senator living off of the perks of his father.
     
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    Greetings and Welcome

    Hey there Blaqfist. . . welcome to our forum community. I like your name...I have visions of it raised in the air to make a powerful political statement! :)

    We're glad that you found us and have joined our community. Hope you enjoy your time here. You're getting off to a great start and I'm looking forward to reading many more of your messages.

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  6. yaphet al-wynn

    yaphet al-wynn Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    On my last sentence in my last post-2 examples of persons who got 'honorable' discharges. Don Imus on his morning program says that getting an honorable discharge means nothing.Offering himself as an example-He disobeyed orders, and got into fistfights in the Marines. The superior officers offered him a deal-he'd get an honorable discharge, if he promised not to reenlist. 2nd example, convicted DC serial killer-John Muhammad. Muhammad was in the Louisiana National Guard for more years than George W Bush for almost 7 years and he received an honorable discharge from them too. But guess what? Muhammad was AWOL for some time, stole supplies and punched out a Sergeant. For that, he received an honorable discharge, too.
     
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    Nothing Honorable now! Never have never will.

    Being in the gaurd.. and going AWOL.. should have automatically sent him to the front lines for active duty. It would have anyone else.

    You couldn't mess up in the gaurd.. it was a elite group of stand-by soldiers, and it was a privilage not a right during those times to serve in it.

    This is a issue. But other issues are he lied to us. He didn't tell the truth about his intent for going to war. He knew there were no weapons. If there were at one time his father, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Regan had supplied them anyway.

    This administration not only ignored the wishes of america.. but thumbed their noses at the world. Now I will never see the pyramids..blacks have followed this country into every war ever fought. We come back to racist means and motives. We we are foolish to support, a government that treats us like second class citizens. A government that denies just to keep more for themselves. They get benefits.. cars, food, homes and medical services all paid for by our taxes. Are you working right now? Are you happy with society? Congress needs to change. We need to make them change and follow the law of the land. Live up to the constitution. They are changing it now for the gay marriage.. flap. Yet they will stick a measure in forbidding interracial marriages. Watch..em.

    America needs a bath. It's starting to stink. Now we are hated in all corners of the world now.

    ROCK the VOTE.. get him.. and all republicans out of congress out of office.
     
  8. yaphet al-wynn

    yaphet al-wynn Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The Guard and Reserves back then were havens for rich white guys to avoid going to Vietnam. Contrast the different mindset with Kerry and Bush.Kerry was 2-4 years older than Bush,like Bush came, from a wealthy MA family. Kerry and his classmates(of Yale) of his age went in (drafted or volunteered)when the war was newer and no significant opposition. Bush came in when there was opposition and was not going in. Kerry and one of his classmates admitted that if they came out when Bush did ,they probably would not have went.
     
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    yaphet al-wynn Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Besides, when Bush went to the ARF (either Army or Air Force reserves) in CO-Bush was subject to call up(in his case probably due to disciplinary reasons-anything from refusing a direct order(not taking his physical, when they started drug testing) and his flying privileges was suspended in 1972, actual drug use or anything.Like Clinton when his name went in the draft and pulled a high number, the ARF Bush was in was not subject to call up and the military was winding down at the time in 1973, so they both lucked out on not going to Vietnam.
     
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