Black People : Homosexual Perception & Differences Male/Female

[Omowale Jabali]

What I said about the character Shango in Sankofa was not based on his dress style, it was based on his tenderness, the calmness and reassurance of his voice, the gentleness of his words and touch, his strong and obvious ability to nurse and nurture the woman who had been beaten and raped. In fact, Shangos dress style had never occurred to me but now that I think of it, how he has his head wrapped would be looked upon as feminine.

Looks like you didn't watch the video I supplied, I went back to look at it again to see what you were talking about and I didn't see any hooped earrings, sandals, or cornrows. In fact Shango was a slave and slaves couldn't have those things.



Once again... I am afraid that your perception of my perception, is way off.





Gays are accepted in Malidome Some Ethnic group? Was that before or after Malidome had his traumatic experience? You may ask what does his experience have to do with anything? Well, you say it is documented, I have not seen any documentation other than what Malidome Some has written, and even then, Malidome Some does not specifically say that same sex sexual relationships are tolerated, In fact, he doesn't mention anything about two same sex people getting it on.

I read the book some time back, if I over looked something, maybe you would be open to a book discussion. I still have the book, perhaps you can tell me what page to go to where he specifically says what you believe he has said. Other than that, I will tell you what 'my' perceptions are of his writings so that you don't misconstrue what 'my' perceptions are.

My perception of his writings is that for a man to possess strong feminine energy means that he is something to be revered, not something to be cast out or looked down upon. Gatekeepers means to come as one thing, but to also hold the key to something else. As long as that key is held by whom ever, the doorway to where the all-ness or oneness is at, will always be open.

If that key is missing the door is forever closed and we will loose valuable information about our selves. That is my perception and it has nothing to do with two people having sex, nor does it have anything to do with biology.


W.I.P

I think that some of us have different conception of "energy".

I will attempt to explain this from cosmological standpoint.

As described, "feminine" energy is lunar typology and considered "emotional" or "spiritual" in its essence.

"masculine" energy is solar or essentially "physical".

example:

The Akan people of Ghana have a pantheon of gods that includes personifications of celestial bodies. These personification manifest as androgynous of transgender deities, and include Abrao (Jupiter),Aku (Mercury), and Awo (Moon).



therefore, for a male to be revered in indigenous african society for his "feminine" energy this denotes his spiritual force which is viewed as greater than physical prowess because it is closer to the mother-goddess life-force.

this is why i mentioned earlier initiation rites. in numerous african societies boys even dressed as girls (in ritual practice) and vice versa.

i always found it interesting how the word "gay" is similar to ghede.

for example consider the following.

Ghede Masaka assists Ghede Nibo. He is an androgynous male or transgendered gravedigger and spirit of the dead, recognized by his black shirt, white jacket, and white headscarf. Ghede Masaka carries a bag containing poisonous leaves and an umbilical cord. Ghede Masaka is sometimes depicted as the companion of Ghede Oussou. Both are bisexual. Ghede Oussou is sometimes also linked with the female Ghede L'Oraille. Ghede Oussou wears a black or mauve jacket marked on the back with a white cross and a black or mauve headscarf. His name means "tipsy" due to his love of white rum.

for further reference.
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/flsh_gendered.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_African_diasporic_mythologies

 

[Workinprocess]

I think that some of us have different conception of "energy".

I will attempt to explain this from cosmological standpoint.

As described, "feminine" energy is lunar typology and considered "emotional" or "spiritual" in its essence.

"masculine" energy is solar or essentially "physical".

example:

The Akan people of Ghana have a pantheon of gods that includes personifications of celestial bodies. These personification manifest as androgynous of transgender deities, and include Abrao (Jupiter),Aku (Mercury), and Awo (Moon).



therefore, for a male to be revered in indigenous african society for his "feminine" energy this denotes his spiritual force which is viewed as greater than physical prowess because it is closer to the mother-goddess life-force.

this is why i mentioned earlier initiation rites. in numerous african societies boys even dressed as girls (in ritual practice) and vice versa.

i always found it interesting how the word "gay" is similar to ghede.

for example consider the following.

Ghede Masaka assists Ghede Nibo. He is an androgynous male or transgendered gravedigger and spirit of the dead, recognized by his black shirt, white jacket, and white headscarf. Ghede Masaka carries a bag containing poisonous leaves and an umbilical cord. Ghede Masaka is sometimes depicted as the companion of Ghede Oussou. Both are bisexual. Ghede Oussou is sometimes also linked with the female Ghede L'Oraille. Ghede Oussou wears a black or mauve jacket marked on the back with a white cross and a black or mauve headscarf. His name means "tipsy" due to his love of white rum.

for further reference.
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/flsh_gendered.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_African_diasporic_mythologies

Thank you for sharing your information, I understood and agree with it. Is there some particular reason why you chose my post to make this response too? Just curious to know.



W.I.P

 

[Omowale Jabali]

Thank you for sharing your information, I understood and agree with it. Is there some particular reason why you chose my post to make this response too? Just curious to know.



W.I.P

Because you wrote concerning energy.

 

[Amnat77]

What I said about the character Shango in Sankofa was not based on his dress style, it was based on his tenderness, the calmness and reassurance of his voice, the gentleness of his words and touch, his strong and obvious ability to nurse and nurture the woman who had been beaten and raped. In fact, Shangos dress style had never occurred to me but now that I think of it, how he has his head wrapped would be looked upon as feminine.

Looks like you didn't watch the video I supplied, I went back to look at it again to see what you were talking about and I didn't see any hooped earrings, sandals, or cornrows. In fact Shango was a slave and slaves couldn't have those things.



Once again... I am afraid that your perception of my perception, is way off.





Gays are accepted in Malidome Some Ethnic group? Was that before or after Malidome had his traumatic experience? You may ask what does his experience have to do with anything? Well, you say it is documented, I have not seen any documentation other than what Malidome Some has written, and even then, Malidome Some does not specifically say that same sex sexual relationships are tolerated, In fact, he doesn't mention anything about two same sex people getting it on.

I read the book some time back, if I over looked something, maybe you would be open to a book discussion. I still have the book, perhaps you can tell me what page to go to where he specifically says what you believe he has said. Other than that, I will tell you what 'my' perceptions are of his writings so that you don't misconstrue what 'my' perceptions are. My perception of his writings is that for a man to possess strong feminine energy means that he is something to be revered, not something to be cast out or looked down upon. Gatekeepers means to come as one thing, but to also hold the key to something else. As long as that key is held by whom ever, the doorway to where the all-ness or oneness is at, will always be open. If that key is missing the door is forever closed and we will loose valuable information about our selves. That is my perception and it has nothing to do with two people having sex, nor does it have anything to do with biology.


W.I.P

Because Malidome was molested by Jesuits priests you are implying that he would LIE and make false statments regarding what is accepted and not accepted in his culture? do you have proof of this?Have been to Bukino Faso or spoken to anyone from Malidome's ethnic group?

So we are back to defining people are we? hmmmm.....

I've watched sankofa over 10 times dear.. Shango character is a healer and that is what healers do. I guess you have never came across MALE NURSES/TRAUMACOUNSELORS/PAREMEDICS/DOCTORS/HEALERS..et la.. othewise you would not make such sweeping generalization about how MEN are supposed to act towards traumatized individuals.

I clearly stated SANS(without earings and corn rows)

You statement sounds very sexist.


I think you should read the book again..and perhaps attend some of his lectures, and a little research on the spiritual beliefs of the Dangara people wouldn't hurt.

Anyways I'm done with this, I can see where this is going.. not in mood for the merry go round today.

 

[Workinprocess]

Because you wrote concerning energy.

Actually I was expressing my perceptions on what someone else wrote about concerning energy but... Whateva...




W.I.P