Black People Politics : Here are 2 pieces of hard evidence why black voting can be seen as self-deception

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  1. Perfection

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    You actually are proselytizing a process which has been proven ineffective for black people since 1869 and you find my words amusing :lol:

    What's amusing is that by me showing you what Dr. King really meant by voting, I took your only crutch away which supported your voting-is-the-key fantasy.

    Amusing is you're not debunking one piece of evidence I'm providing for my position. But don't feel too bad because no one else in the room is doing it neither. Your only response is "So what, we still should vote." You can't even provide one advantage of voting which can serve to benefit ordinary people like me and my neighbors.

    You speak about how black people died to vote, right? I agree. our people did die to give us the right to vote but the sentence doesn't stop there. Our people of the 60s suffered some of the worst forms of white racism: church bombings, water hoses, dogs let loose on our babies and women. Businesses burned down and neighborhood gutted.

    You don't address those issues with an action that doesn't work. You use "traitor." I even could say that but instead I'll use reckless and irresponsible that someone would advocate a process which clearly is ineffective for ordinary black people like me and others.

    Michael Brown happened under Obama's watch, right? The first "black" president with all the power that Donald Trump is wielding, and you trying to tell ordinary, hard working black people who follow all the laws and rules that Obama couldn't have done the same thing?

    What did black people get for voting for Obama then? Oh wait, I can hear someone saying "Obama was the president of all people, not just black people." :lol:

    You know why nothing happened? Because of Dr. King's number 1 of "Give is the ballot":

    1-Give us the ballot and we will no longer have to worry the federal government about our basic rights.

    How can I keep telling people to vote when we don't even have our basic rights respected? And this is according to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And he wrote that back in 1957 and yet we still in the same condition in 2018.

    Although you may have good intentions, it doesn't negate the fact that your position is remarkably untenable.

    It. Does, Not. Work.
     
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    You actually are proselytizing a process which has been proven ineffective for black people since 1869 and you find my words amusing :lol:

    What's amusing is that by me showing you what Dr. King really meant by voting, I took your only crutch away which supported your voting-is-the-key fantasy. Unlike you, I was actually alive to see and hear his words. Your misinterpretation is offensive! Moreover, an outright lie!

    Amusing is you're not debunking one piece of evidence I'm providing for my position. But don't feel too bad because no one else in the room is doing it neither. Your only response is "So what, we still should vote." You can't even provide one advantage of voting which can serve to benefit ordinary people like me and my neighbors. I debunk, refute, and call all of it for what it is, drivel. As many have stated earlier, you have given no credible evidence to support your premise, let alone two pieces

    You speak about how black people died to vote, right? I agree. our people did die to give us the right to vote but the sentence doesn't stop there. Our people of the 60s suffered some of the worst forms of white racism: church bombings, water hoses, dogs let loose on our babies and women. Businesses burned down and neighborhood gutted.

    You don't address those issues with an action that doesn't work. You use "traitor." I even could say that but instead I'll use reckless and irresponsible that someone would advocate a process which clearly is ineffective for ordinary black people like me and others.

    Michael Brown happened under Obama's watch, right? The first "black" president with all the power that Donald Trump is wielding, and you trying to tell ordinary, hard working black people who follow all the laws and rules that Obama couldn't have done the same thing?

    What did black people get for voting for Obama then? Oh wait, I can hear someone saying "Obama was the president of all people, not just black people." :lol:

    You know why nothing happened? Because of Dr. King's number 1 of "Give is the ballot":

    1-Give us the ballot and we will no longer have to worry the federal government about our basic rights.

    How can I keep telling people to vote when we don't even have our basic rights respected? And this is according to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And he wrote that back in 1957 and yet we still in the same condition in 2018.

    Although you may have good intentions, it doesn't negate the fact that your position is remarkably untenable.

    It. Does, Not. Work. ANY PERSON OF COLOR THAT DOESNT VOTE IS A TRAITOR TO THE RACE!



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    So it's your position that optics is a powerful force, right? I agree. But where your observation comes short is that you fail to see that your optics have limitations. You can't draw parallels to black men dribbling balls up and down a court and black men being shot and killed in their own homes.

    Educate us on the "optics" that under America's first "black" president the economic portfolios of ordinary black Americans didn't budge? Oh, but wait, at least it was a "black" president who presided over our economic stagnation, right? At least it wasn't a white racist, right? Because, after all, to use your words:

    The biggest fallacy...is the assumption that optics does not produce meaning and positive, result driven outcomes.

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    You were alive during that time...ok, and assuming you hit the streets and did your part, we thank you for your service. But with all due respect, you fail to show any evidence as to how blacks have benefited from voting. You're an Elder of the village, but that does not entitle you to spread mischaracterizations and delusions to the younger generations.

    It is your responsibility...it is our responsibility to tell our people the truth and what's right and exact.

    How did voting help Sandra Bland?

    Stop caping for a political party and tell our people the truth.
     
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    You were alive during that time...ok, and assuming you hit the streets and did your part, we thank you for your service. But with all due respect, you fail to show any evidence as to how blacks have benefited from voting. You're an Elder of the village, but that does not entitle you to spread mischaracterizations and delusions to the younger generations.

    It is your responsibility...it is our responsibility to tell our people the truth and what's right and exact.

    How did voting help Sandra Bland? It was the lack of voting that caused the Blands and Fergusons. A massive vote puts new mayors and police chief all over. Again, your ignorance is showing

    Stop caping for a political party and tell our people the truth.

    Look, you're not qualified to have this discussion with me. You don't know the subject matter or the history at all. So, we cant have this discussion, later



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    Doesnt really matter that optics has limitations. Everything has limitations. Your claim was that optics didnt matter but everyone knows they do. So thats one thing Obama did in addition to the others I listed. Your argument shows a lack of understanding regarding how economics works. We dont live in a vacuum. There is nothing Obama could have done to fatten our wallets without doing the same for someone not Black.

    Why are you still evading my questions? I'm starting to sense that you are stalling. Can you answer them instead of acting like you didnt see them?

    If biracial people are not Black then what is your criteria for being Black?

    What benefit comes from not voting?
     
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    I'm actually still waiting for you to prove your point by telling everyone what not voting will do for Black people besides erode the rights and laws our elders worked for.
     
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    We register to vote so that our voting system is not over whelmed with false voters and mail-in votes. Can you see that there are plenty of American enemies abroad and within who would like to take over this nation in anyway they can? And replace it with what?

    I guess I'm looking at voters that could vote out freedom and vote in a police state. That would be a Socialist government/Communist government. Please understand the difference from our issues as compared to what Eldridge Cleaver experienced in places without a democracy. He chose jail to either of those two ideologys and came back to do ten years--gratefully.

    Lawlessness of mob mentality, or a willingness to suspend liberty to override the Constitution and due process, heaped upon with a rhetoric alleging all manner of accusations that makes Truth pale with tremors.

    Of corse I will vote for what is best protection for Black that also includes every body. First there is a question where is the reality? Where is the actual lie? Abraham Lincoln prophesied that America would either become all free or all enslaved.
     
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    Which one is it? As you can see, I quoted what you have stated earlier, blaming our people for the current dilema (i.e. allowing Trump into office). Now the next quote you are saying you were not blaming our people. These are both your statements, so which one is correct?
     
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    Yo dawgs, this gettin crayzee. 7 pages and he/she/it aint gon cut this loose. I need a haircut.

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