Discussion in 'Black Sports' started by panafrica, Aug 11, 2006.
ARENT THERE LIKE FOUR RUSSIANS CHAMPIONS NOW? THAT SHOWS LACK OF COMPETITION IN THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION.
Unfortunately yes, there are 4 Russian belt holders (something I was avoiding writing about), and I think that they as a group will be in control for the foreseeable future. The sad thing is these Russians aren't that good (I think a prime Lennox Lewis would mop the floor with all of them), but the current group of black heavyweights are even worse. The top black heavyweight contender is Calvin Brock, who is too small to seriously compete against the bigger Russians (Valuez who is 7' 350lbs, and Wladimir Klitschko who is 6'6" and 250lbs); although I give him a chance against the other two. The major problem is that black people seem to be abandoning boxing as a serious sport, much in the same way blacks have abandoned baseball. When you think of great heavyweight champions: Joe Louis, Muhammed Ali, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis. All of these guys have extensive amatuer careers. They started learning how to box at the age of 12, and in some cases even earlier (Holyfield started boxing at 9). When these guys started turning pro, they already knew how to fight. Today's black heavyweight is lacking in this experience, this is the era of the "failed athlete" meaning these black heavyweights tried basketball and weren't good enough to make the cut....they tried football and weren't good enough to make the cut....so they decide that they can try boxing in their mid to late 20s. These failed athletes enter the sweet science thinking, "How hard can throwing some punches be?"; when they reach the elite level and start fighting boxers who have been fighting since they were pre-teens....they find out the hard way why boxing is the 'sweet science'. Quite simply they don't have the experience or skills to compete because they don't respect the sport of boxing, unlike these Russian heavyweights who all have extensive amatuer experience (the former Soviet Union has one of the strongest amatuer programs in the world). I'm sure we'll reclaim our top spot, it has been 47 years since there was no black heavyweight champion (when Floyd Patterson got KO'd by Ingemar Johansson in 1959...a title he reclaimed one year later....and we've ruled ever since) this was a proud legacy which I honestly though would last forever. I certainly didn't think it would come to an end in my lifetime, and since boxing is my favorite sport, this is hard to take. However it is the reality for now...hopefully some young brother is watching and will decide to lace them up!
I peeped that too
I saw the for russians standing there on Hbo and was trying to fiqure out where was the black heavy weights myself. In my opinion let them have the title gifted brothers are now smart enough to make intelligent decisions based on thier health and economic status and not just taking the first chance to get out of the hood. Bravo to them for choosing an alternative method for supporting themselves besides getting your head bashed in without anything promised for the future! Besides there is nothings left to prove in the realm of boxing or any form of competive sports for that matter!
The heavyweight division isn't all that good to begin with. I'm not trying to take away from the four titleholders but this isn't one of the greatest moments for heavyweights. I don't even watch heavyweight fights alot of times.
Pan you're right this is something I never could have even imagined...if say 10 years ago somebody would have told me "in 2006 there will not be 1 Black heavyweight champ" I'd have taken that bet and called them insane......but here we stand....not 1...and the way I'm looking at it is there won't be one for a minute.....when was the last time you saw a good young heavyweight prospect.....Manny says he has one but he's a true prospect ...they're going to try and get him into the Olympics in 08 after that he'll go pro and then if he's good he'll get a shot when....2010 , 2009 .....I don't see any young cats in that division where I can honestly say...oh yeah he's gonna make some noise.....too bad James Toney doesn't have the discipline to get in shape he could unify the titles right now.......but Toney getting in shape has about as much a chance of happenin as him turning down a meal.........to Pan's other point the failed athlete theory is especially evident in the heavyweight division ......big guys realizing they aren't good enough to play the sport they love figure boxing will give them a couple of easy paydays.....nope........and they quickly learn that boxing is not just about throwing punches and bashing someone's head in it is truly a thing of beauty when done by a skilled practioner...........So is this the next thing Black folk are going to give away?
This is how I see the state of boxing today......boxing used to be a good option for us as a sport and it was an honored profession, boxing gyms were looked at as places that helped boys become men, where solid values and life lessons were learned but today boxing gyms are not looked at in the same way .....I think the main reason is money though.....boxing just ain't as glamorous as the big two sports for Brothers....Football and Basketball.....the road to become a top flight boxer is a long and hard one......if you're a good football or basketball prospect and show that talent early then you will be a star your whole life and on into the pros with all the perks that come with it........young cats with talent boxing ...unless you're around the gyms and a true fan ..most will never know who they are.....I still have folks telling me about that new guy Winky Wright.....hell I know folks who thought Bhop was just a nobody that Jermaine Taylor beat .......how many of yall know who Andre Ward is........? see what I mean........another problem is like I said above ....Boxing is looked at now as the sport of lower class (in my opinion) ......folks actually believe that most if not all boxers are nothing more than low class ignorant Black folk ..which like anything else is not always true......boxing to me is one of those things where either you get it or you don't ......it has some many layers that most never see and it's way more complicated and intricate than the layman will ever realize...........
Hopefully somewhere in some small gym there's a young cat right now working, running, shadow boxing , getting his footwork right that's almost ready to come out and show the world what a good heavyweight fighter truly looks like again and then he can get to the business of clearing out the garbage in that division.....
Well said....I agree with you 100%!
Maybe there is hope
In my depression about the state of brothers in the heavyweight division, I overlooked the comeback of Shannon Briggs. He was a "B" list heavyweight during Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield's reign, but has the talent and size to give some of these Russians trouble. I definatley give him a chance against any of the four.
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