Pan Africanism : Have you been to Africa? Do you care?

Discussion in 'Black History - Culture - Panafricanism' started by Abantu, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. Abantu

    Abantu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Hotep everyone!

    I'm new to this board and I'm loving it. It's refreshing to find a pro-black ACTIVE forum, I have been searching for that for awhile.

    Well, I'm a native of Africa. I am a Kongolese woman born and raised in DR Congo. I had to leave my country because of war and poverty. I have been living in the US for 6 years and I don't like it. America and Europe are the root cause of the problems of my country, my continent and my entire race, why then should I like their societies? I'm just surviving here, thinking about a better tomorrow for me and my people. I really can't do much about it right now, the INS gives me SO MUCH trouble.. I'm still standing though.

    My question is, how many of the "Afrocentrist" blacks here travelled to Africa? How many of you are willing to do it? It's nice to talk about "unity of the black race", "Pan-Africanism" etc.. but it seems not many black diasporas are willing to bridge the gap with Africans of continent, regularly go there for vacation, invest there, etc.. Some people give me the excuse that they don't have the money, yet they find money to buy brand new cars, the latest electronic gadgets, or even travel to Europe. What a shame!!

    The only way to build Pan-Africanism is through SACRIFICE!! I am willing to be friends with black Americans, but the majority dislike my mentality because my concern are merely for our traditional ways. I'm not at all into superficiality, Western fashion, culture etc. I'm not even close friends with black American "Afrocentrist" folks I often meet in Afrocentric clubs in the city where I live. WHY? Are we radically so different?? 400 years of slavery, colonizaton and exploitaion really severed black diasporas form their borthers and sisters of the continent?

    Who in this forum is willing to save hard-earned money to GO to Africa? Who here is willing to perhaps sacrifice "Western comfort" (crumbs compared to those of white folks really) to go help the poor and deseperate Africans of the Motherland? Who here is willing to OPPOSE the Arab and Westerns missionaries in the Africa soil, who encourage our people to reject their traditonal heritage, and the welfare of their nations? It is time to put our money where our mouth is. The wealthy and the most dertermined among us have no excuse.

    With that said, people should know I'm not pointing finger at anybody. People do whatever they want with their conscience. As for myself, I'm living in the US so-called "American Eldorado" because of economic reasons. As soon as I can get enough money, and the INS will let me travel, I will be off back to Africa. I will go help my people regularly. Before I die I will help Africans in Mama Africa financially and spychologically, or I wil die trying.. What about you "Africanist" Diasporas?

    Abantu (black people)

    Yengue e Zola (Peace and Love).
     
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    welcome 2 destee Abantu we r glad 2 have you here!

    i have never been 2 afrika but i will at some point. i had a debate with a family member the other day about the same concerns you raised. it concerns me when afrikan americans want to disassociate them selves from afrikans. my relative expressed that she thinks afrika is a lost cause and that we r better off helping people in the ghettos of amerikkka. i could not disagree more, this relative of mine said the same thing about afrikans that you said about afrikan americans. that is many of them look down upon us dont want anything 2 do with us (aa's). i hear this from many aa's and believe this presumptious attitude needs to stop. we r one people no matter how different we r, we share many of the same traditions wether we know it or not.

    i would like to ask you what we aa's can do from here in amerikkka? what would your people consider to be helpful? i another thread in this forum we once discussed what products would be helpful to afrikans as far as exporting. what type of goods & services that aa's can provide and export would be beneficial to the kongolese population? for that matter what would be some good imports that yts no doubt are feasting on or will if we dont? how does the kongelese population feel about their government? i have a relative that travelled to the kongo last year, she was deeply saddened by the conditions there. just like the sudan and s. afrika we aa's are in a postition to bring global attention to these countries. i would like to ask you how do afrikans in you contry view us, i know u cant speak for everyone but what r some typical or common thoughts on aa's that you have heard if any?

    i believe dialog is the key, we need to build with each other mentaly as well as financially, scientifically & spiritually.

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    Welcome to Destee.com Abantu! There are several people on these forums who have made the journey home. I will be travelling to Africa (Guinea) next year with my wife. I believe that many African Americans would like to travel to Africa, they just don't know where to go, or are scared by the images that they see on TV.

    I am sorry that you have problems relating to African Americans; however, as you already stated, slavery & separation has created a wide cultural gap (too wide for many to bridge unassisted). Thus if you want to bridge this gap, you have to educate others. Be an ambassador for your country & people. Point out that Africans & African-American share the same blood & heritage. Many African Americans fear (feel) rejected by Africans, if you demonstrate that this isn't the case, you might be surprised how many respond to you positively!
     
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    Welcome to Destee stay a while. Pull up a chair. Share

    Welcome Abantu

    What state are you located in? Are you sending money home, keeping in contact with family? There are so many things you could share with us about yourself, and Africa. I am really interested in learning more.

    You asked about our commitment. I believe you would find there is no lack of support that we wouldn't garner and focus toward Africa if we knew all of Africa would actually receive the funds, well wishes and us visiting first hand to see and support the land of our ancestors.

    One can never abandon their past. If they did they would be floating souls, a fly on a chip, lost in a storm of confusion.

    You asked some tough questions. It is a challenge. I can read a challenge everything should be a challenge.

    My question is, how many of the "Afrocentrist" blacks here travelled to Africa? How many of you are willing to do it? It's nice to talk about "unity of the black race", "Pan-Africanism" etc.. but it seems not many black diasporas are willing to bridge the gap with Africans of continent, regularly go there for vacation, invest there, etc.. Some people give me the excuse that they don't have the money, yet they find money to buy brand new cars, the latest electronic gadgets, or even travel to Europe. What a shame!!

    How many of you are willing to do it? It's nice to talk about "unity of the black race"

    Let me start with a fact about me. I would help any man, any woman and any one regardless of race creed or color. I would help them any time and anyplace I could. Financially. With time. In support and i would stand with them to argue their point.

    What I would never do is place myself in an unsafe condition or place to do any of the above. I would never do anything to purposely place myself in danger to do what I listed. I don't go to certain neighborhoods here in America. It is no longer safe to do so.

    As much as I would love to help and support. I will not purposely be foolish.

    Those wanting help. Must first learn. You don't kill the messenger. That used to be the old way. They must first learn. If you want help. Stop hurting yourself. Stop hurting those who can help, want to help. Stop taking drugs, and drinking long enough to clear your head. You must allow yourself to be helped.

    I say this because many here in America would attack, rob, and kill someone that arrived in their neighborhood. Many in poor areas would make claims they think they are better than we are. They would claim something along those lines.

    Another thing about me. I can tell after I get involved to help someone weather they are serious about helping themselves. I can tell right away you would help yourself. If you want me to help. You must show you will truly help yourself. Look like you are trying. Act like you are trying. Do your best.

    The fighting. Killing, drug use and war between Blacks here in America and Africans over in Africa against each other first has to stop. I won't purposely go there, be there, or enter the areas. In reality in both places they haven't shown they are ready to help themselves. Folks would drink you dry. Laugh, think and call you a fool. And miss the point that you were there for them. If you go about helping them and they haven't gotten serious about helping themselves.

    Teach a man to fish. He will feed himself for life. ( But he may tell you he don't like fishing ) Lead a horse to water. But you can't make him drink.

    My question is, how many of the "Afrocentrist" blacks here travelled to Africa?

    Many blacks here don't have passports. Never applied. Feel they don't need one. Never will consider getting one. That needs to change. We need to travel to Europe. We need to travel to Africa. All of us and return here revived. Refreshed and ready to tackle this place we know is wrong.

    it seems not many black diasporas are willing to bridge the gap with Africans of continent, regularly go there for vacation, invest there, etc..

    I have a friend from Nigeria. I'm going there with him. It will be my first visit to Africa. I'm going to Europe. I picked up my documents and will have my passport next year.


    Who in this forum is willing to save hard-earned money to GO to Africa? Who here is willing to perhaps sacrifice "Western comfort" (crumbs compared to those of white folks really) to go help the poor and deseperate Africans of the Motherland? Who here is willing to OPPOSE the Arab and Westerns missionaries in the Africa soil, who encourage our people to reject their traditonal heritage, and the welfare of their nations? It is time to put our money where our mouth is. The wealthy and the most dertermined among us have no excuse.

    The problem here. The problem in Africa is we allow the Government in both places to remain corrupt. Not support us like it is legislated. We both must start hwith changing the process and work that process using all the avenues and laws in place along with blood, sweat and effort.

    Here we paid taxes, are paying taxes for services that are inferior. We must demand nothing less than what we are due, pay for and support. They stilll don't give us our due. When we say we need these things they act like we didn't contribute.

    It's like the excuse whites use that they were not a part of or ever owned slaves. They still live on the profits of that day. The lights are on in their neighborhoods because we paid taxes. Yet we can't get the same. Ridiculous. I would make all kinds of noise. I will continue to make noise about conditions. I can't help unless the effected individual makes noise first. So when you go home. Tell all of your brothers and sisters. To get angry. Make some noise.

    Claim out loud Black Americans said we ( they ) would help you because we will. Claim you’re rightfully owned gold. Dig up the diamonds you all own. Take back all the riches of the land America and Europe has stolen for centuries. We both can stand and say. We have helped each other. We have helped ourselves.

    The difference between you and us right now is. You have a land you can say you were born on in Africa. We can't point to where our ancestors came from. We couldn't tell you what Tongue our ancestors spoke. Or the dress and customs of that nation. We would have to adopt the whole nation to be sure we are hugging home land. If you want to do something. Spell it out. We know Africa needs food. We know you need weapons to fight with. A goverment will not attack or would slow to attack anyone that has armed themselves and can defend themselves. Over here we claim a right to own weapons. Do the same over there. Over here we need to stop turning them on ourselves. Do the same over there. Tell us what you need. Become the conduit we need. We would show you we walk the walk. We don't just talk the talk here in America.
     
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    Dear Sister Abuntu, welcome to Destee. We love having you here. I have shared my experience in Senegal on Destee several times, but I want to share it with you also. I love Africa, and I intend to move there in a couple of years. I know your experience in amerikkka is very difficult, especially when our people do not see the need to know you and your culture, not understanding that the rich culture you bring to amerikkka is beautiful and similar to ours in many ways. I pray our people wake up to see how the media distorts the richness of Afraka and its people. Please be patient and don't give up on us. I notice Africans from the the diaspora that are African centered and in the African dance communities are more knowledgeable about AFrica. What city do you live in? Feel free to email me personally if you would like.

    Here is my exprience:

    Hey everybody, we are back from Africa starting up our Afrakan Dance classes again at OrigiNation Dance Studios with Fatou N'Daiye and Miamouna along with Master Drummers Samba and Mamadou Cisse. Thank you for your prayers for our safe arrival and departure.

    Come and join us so we can share the dance the culture and the wonderful stories we have about Senegal, West Africa. I have lost 30 pounds dancing and but more importantly, I have gained the knowledge and significance of African Dance, Song, and Culture. I would like to share with everyone, my experience.

    Below is a synopsis of my experience in Senegal:

    Wow (that means "yes" in Wolof).

    Senegal is beautiful. It is a 90% Muslim country, very peaceful, no liquor stores, not a lot of crime, everday people. The beaches are prestine. I stayed on the beach one night with drummers and dances. I slept in a hut, and heard the ocean water back and forth. It was absolutely phenominal.

    I went with my Senegalese dance teacher, Fatou, and her son. Her family was beautiful and loving. Not once did I hear of any ethnic issues because in Senegal, Islam and their traditional spiritual systems keep them, prayful, strong, and united.

    There were some problems in a Casamance (Fatou's childhood village) , where I went and stayed for 3 days, by the way, but there has been peace there for a couple of years now. There was a welcoming party for Fatou and us there. We danced to the river with the whole village. Wow, wow.

    Senegal is poor but spiritual. Family is extremely important. I stayed in Dakar the city and the village, both were wonderful. There are no elderly homes everyone takes care of each other. The babies are on the backs of all the family members. They are not allowed to cry without someone putting them on their backs. Senegal does not have a welfare system, so everyone takes care of each other. They eat from the same tray and the staple food is fish, chicken, rice, vegetables, mangos, pineapples and other fruits that are all around you. Entrepreneuship is the way of life. Selling something , bartering, and trading keeps income coming in.

    All we did was hug and kiss one another. Afraka needs us and we need Afraka. I cannot speak for every country in Afraka, there are 55 but I could see myself in Senegal working in the schools, starting a telephone or cyber cafe business. Bringing our children there to learn the rich culture of our people would be a great as well. We had children from amerikkka with us and they did not want to come back. They were free, at peace, no violent incidents anywhere around us.

    I met a number of African Americans who are educating their children there, who have built homes there and live there. Their children know 3 to 4 languages. I just found out the Charlie Titus, the UMass Athletic Director, built a home there.

    I learned Wolof before I went to Senegal. I speak a little Wolof. They were were absolutely delighted. It was wonderful. "Dig" means hear and understand, "julee" means pray. "Dadit" means no. We use the "d" sound for "th" words when we speak ebonics, I see why now.

    We went to Goree Island, we cried, we hugged each other and it was so emotional. I could see the pain in our faces and the pain in their faces as well.

    Afraka belongs to me. I don't care if some Afrakans don't want us there or do not think of us as Afrakans. There were times when the children in Casamance called me "toobob" meaning "white". but that is their ignorance, most of the people welcomed us home.

    Do Afrakans want to come to amerikkka? Yes, some do but those that are here are dying to go home as well and I see why. As soon as they can afford to go they will go in a second.

    The last night there, in Dakar, the whole community came out for a celebration called Tandameer, it was like the a street party that we used to have years ago. We sat in special chairs and the whole community drummed and danced for us. The women dressed in their finest, (which they do everyday anyway). They looked like queens. The men wore the African attire as well and we all danced together. Money was flying all over the place.

    Amerikkka can't touch Afraka, this place is a diabolical mess. For those of us who choose to stay here. It is good. We need our people on all fronts. However, it is good to know that we have choices and I am out of here when I retire in 2-3 years.

    Mark your calendars for July 2005, we are going back with Fatou, Insha Allah, God willing.


    Peace.
    __________________ I am going back in December 2004 and planning the big trip for July of 2005. If any of my Destee family wants to join us, please email me at [email protected]. I will send you the flyer sometime in January. God willing.
     
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    Welcome Abantu. No i've never been to Afrika. However several of my frat brothers did travel to Azania in 1994 to assist our people in the voting process. Unfortunately i was unable to make the trip at that time. Currently i'm in the process of saving for my anticipated trip by the end of next year. A co-worker of mine vocationed on an Afrikan cruise a few years back. He loved it. I plan to do the same.

    I'm sorry some of your experiences with African Americans haven't been pleasant. Very possible those you encountered continue to suffer from over 400 years of eurocentric mental programming. Thus, any relationship would be futile. However i'm certain you'll eventually meet many who are hospitable and righteous. If you ever have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

    Peace!
     
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    i would like to go to Africa but i doubt I'll ever actually do it.
    i have thought about going there when it is my time to die.
    if i have any money when that time comes i will try to make it home.

    i have never met a friendly African here in America.
    i never have had a good experience with an African at all.
    because of this experience i do not say anything when i see them.
    an African in America would have to go out of their way to show that they were interested in being friends before i would open up.

    I'm not unfriendly, just guarded. :shades:
     
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    I hear you on that James, I thought that I was the only one that picked up on that. To me, they are very cocky and arrogant!. Not to mention Pushy!. Some of the Woman are nice, but the Men?- Don't get me started!.
     
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    Returning to Motherland

    Love & Blessings ABANTU,
    I had the opportunity to visit three countries in the Motherland in 1977 on a student-study tour. I was there for 21 days and had a wonderful learning experience. I look forward to returning soon.
    BLESSINGS & ONE LOVE
    SISTER DREA
     
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