Black People : Have Black People Been Free in America, Longer Than We Were Enslaved in America?

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    I'm no historian or mathematician, so i thot i'd just ask this question.

    Have we been free in america longer than we were enslaved?

    I'm wondering because of this thread ... "The New Normal" ... if the amount of time a thing has been going on, is a primary consideration for determining normalcy ... enslaved behavior would be the norm.

    If what i'm thinking is true, having babies out of wedlock, would in fact be the norm.

    So those of you who know dates, times, and can add better than me ... which has spanned the greatest amount of time ... freedom or enslavement ... for Black People in america?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Depends. During the Civil War, Lincoln made a speech starting "Four score and seven years ago" which meant America then was 87-years-old. Over 140 years have passed. But we were enslaved prior to America's Constitution and we were enslaved prior to "the modern age" (the Renaissance) and we were enslaved in ancient times, but we were free for most of our history going back to the dawn of humanity. Plus slavery isn't over in the prison system and human trafficking is very real. So it's complicated.

    But if one forgets that slavery is still legal today and one forgets that though this country started in 1776, Europeans enslaved Africans since around Columbus' time of 1492, just going by Lincoln's quotation, thinking that Lincoln freed us, the answer is "Yes: we were longer free."

    Though we're also near entirely dependent on Europeans for our continued living which I conceive is a part of slavery too.
     
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    Hi, we been free on paper longer then we have been freed in the USA. In a time when jobs weren't being offer to the black men. He would leave the home so his family could be feed and care for by the state. This was one of the starts of the black man walking away from the family back then, birth out of wedlock in some ways became normal because the new generation of children who were born were without two parents in the household and they were shown how the government would intervene with some income or food keeping the pattern going. It takes patience to be a two parents household, some would become feed up and voice "I don't need you." And raise that child on their own, but that child is missing the present of a father or mother when this is done. So now you may have a whole new generation of children, who don't know how to get along with a man or a woman. And walk away or put them out.
    This is just my opinion
     
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    please define 'free'.
     
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    We will never be free until the last black/african person no longer carries the slave masters surname (johnson, jackson, anderson, williams, jones, edwards, smith, davis, thomas, adams, campbell, stewart, henderson, washington, kennedy, bradley, armstrong, stanley, fitzgerald, pittman, singleton, dickerson and so on).

    Then moving towards true freedom would mean independence from this eurocentric debt economic system.

    But if one means "free" by which mall you go to and what you can buy online, then shssh we gots it made right?
     
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    Hi Well, to me free means, to think freely, express respectfully to learn without boundaries, a name is just a way to communicate and identify , if it weren't for a name everyone will be called "hey you" To be free having the freedom to change your name if thats what you chose to do. Free is just a word, that express to me what we were denied to have freely. We were kidnap and brought to this country as property. And millions of our ancestor die for US to regain our statue and to continue to raise up and build this will honor them. Some people get it some don't. I just feel we can't let the past weigh us down, but learn from it you can't un ring a bell. So I try to stay on the path that was clear for me freely
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    I think a name is more than just a way to communicate and identify. Because calling ourselves these names what do we "identify" with?

    I don't think we're "letting" the past weigh us down.

    We are still property as all amerikkkans are under the amerikkkan corporation. Don't believe me? Tell me what the number on the back of your social security card represents?

    That's beautiful. Freedom has another meaning for others. Not everyone can appreciate your sense of freedom is all I'm saying.
     
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    I guess the meaning of a name all changed for me in my early teens when my mother used to make me and my siblings watch 'roots' for the whole week. Ya'll remember when it used to come on once a year for 5 days straight? Well, I HAD TO WATCH IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED!! My mother was a devout christian, but it seemed like she was always teaching me lessons to keep my mind as free as possible. Anyway, during roots there is a scene when, i think it was kunta's father who took him as a newborn into the woods and raised him up to the sun/heavens and gave him his name and explained that you define your name and not the other way around. This totally blew me and my brothers mind to the point the point that when we had our suns, we all did the same. When my son was born, they called and said: 'did you do it?' and my response was YES and i told them his name which means Most High exhaulted Ruler Master and or King! And he has grown into that name being an honor student and excepted to an all black college to attend their pre-college courses summer program. He's doing so good in school (yes, i'm bragging...lol) that his teachers and guidance counsler let him out early so he could attend because it's in the south and they start school much sooner than we do in the north. So he will take his Regent's and other exams when he get's back.

    Even around the way, half the people i know don't go by their government names, they go by the righteous names that they have earned over the years that others have given them that they felt best describes them.
     
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