Black People : Has anyone else given this some thought?

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  1. Astrologer4U

    Astrologer4U Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Has anyone else besides me given this some thought? I am sitting here thinking about how most of us who are here at Destee.com have to be here for at least this obvious reason, we want to share discourse with those people who are the same as us, and if at all possible, to build with those people who are just like us in terms of sharing the collective experience of what it is to be Black/African decendant/African/ Melanted. I think that most of us are sincere about that.

    Here is the thing though... We have so many differences that we don't even look at what we have in common. Here are some of the differences although I am sure I have left some out.

    We got the Christians debating with the Muslims

    We got the Muslims debating with the Christians

    We got the African based traditions debating with the Christians

    We got the Christians debating with the African based traditions

    We got the Muslims debating with the African based traditions

    We got the African based traditions debating with the Muslims

    We got the Self searchers/skeptics debating with the Astrologers

    We got the Astrologers debating with the Self searchers/skeptics

    We got the Vedic Astrologers debating with the Tropical Astrologers

    We got the Tropical Astrologers debating with the Vedic Astrologers

    We got the Self searchers/skeptics debating with both the Vedic and Tropical Astrologers

    We got the so called Romanticist, debating with the so called Realist/ know it all

    We got the so called Realist/ know it all debating with the so called Romanticist

    We got the so called peace makers/artist who chastise us all and judges those who don't fall into place with his or hers, so called collective view.

    We got us all chastising the peace makers/artist and judging the peace maker/artist for his or hers efforts.

    We got the high school graduates debating with the high school drop outs.

    We got the high school drop outs debating with the high school graduates.

    We got the College graduates debating with the high school graduates and high school drop outs.

    We got the so called followers debating with the so called leaders

    We got the so called leaders debating with the so called followers

    We got the soloist debating with the cliques

    We got the cliques debating with the soloist

    We got the so called leaders debating with both the soloist and the so called follower

    We got the soloist and the so called follower debating with the so called leader.

    We go the so called smart ones debating with the so called ignorant ones

    We got the so called ignorant ones debating with the so called smart ones

    We got the Elders debating the Young adults

    We got the Young adults debating the Elders

    We got un inhibited debating with the less inhibited

    We got those less inhibited debating with the un inhibited

    We got the limited thinkers debating the free thinkers

    We got the free thinkers debating the limited thinkers


    I would like to hear from anyone the things that we have in common because if we got all of the above to deal with and no commonalities, I hate to say it but we would be effed and if you think you can separate yourself from that fact, you would just be singled out, but never the less still effed.:10500:


    Meanwhile, YT is watching us all fall like the tower of Babel so what does that make us all have in common outside of the obvious that I first mentioned? Are we all fools although we would like to think not?


    Sometimes I feel like if white people were to capture and enslave those of us who don't agree with us, as long as YT captured the ones we disliked due to disagreeance and differences, we would feel no remorse for that brotha or sista and would probably rejoice in one less black person left to disagree with and be different than us.


    If you are reading this and a little piece of you is saying "yes it's true", I would be glad if he or she who opposes me or us would disapear or was terribly injured or, I could care less one way or the other... ask yourself this.... What does loyalty mean if not tolerance for your own people?

    I know that some of you are going to say that those who oppose you are not your brotha or sista and if you feel that way, ask yourself this, what is your purpose, what do you wish to accomplish by reaching out to other Africans/Black people/ African Decendants/Melanated peoples?


    I don't want to see any of my people harmed, so for those of you who don't agree with me and you know that I don't agree with you, if you don't know nothing else, please know this, I wouldn't wish pain and sorrow on even my worst enemy so I sure as heck would not wish it on you. I understand though that there comes a time to make choices, when one must choose, make a fixed decision, choices that we don't want to make but must. However, those kind of choices are usually attributed to serious matters verses petty ones.


    As I close I want to conclude that....

    I understand silence is code for agreeance, non admittance or just plain old, "I'm not ready".



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  2. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The point is with an economic Katrina around the corner, why are we so hard focused on creating methods to escape a need for Black unity.

    Like Malcolm said we don't catch hell because of our differences we catch hell becuase we are Black


    But it just boils down to if folks enjoy unfiying and working together fpor the common good ,
    and that is where their heart is ,

    THEY WILL DO IT!

    But if they feel it is more fun to just come to a place and continue old battles rather then..
    povide information or solutions,

    then folks have a right to hate if that is where thier heart is at!

    Some things will change and some will not
     
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    Interesting.

    To me debating is like the duality of the universe it's all the same. There are things where there is and should be no debate, yet we find a way to debate.

    Debating is one and the same, just 2 differents ends of the spectrum. It's like heat debating cold when BOTH are temperatures, like love debating hate when BOTH are emotions, like joy debating pain when BOTH are feelings.

    So when i see debates, I see people debating people when BOTH are people.
     
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    IMO, "tolerance" and "loyalty" are not synonymous.

    "Loyalty" does not mean condoning wrong-doing.

    I am "tolerant" of even some family members. I do not wish them harm nor would seek to harm them. But I also would not protect/enable them or lie for them when they've done wrong.

    Even as a child, I and my siblings let each other fight our own fights as long as it was one-on-one...And if one of us started the fight or provoked it, then, you needed to take your lumps. ----We wouldn't let somebody else just beat cha down; but if you started it, you were gonna finish it.

    However, this was not the philosophy of other families in the community. Even if one of their relative started the fight, they would ALL jump in it to defend/protect their brother/sister/cousin, etc..---For them, that was their familial "loyalty."
     
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    "the so called peace makers/artist who try's to empower us all and judges those who don't fall into place with his, so called collective view".


    I guess I fall into this one. Any way, I do think it's good to debate some, as long as it does not go over board. I know that there are more pressing issues at hand. But the moments I get to read and respond to you guys are about all i get in my days.
     
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    Was that a judgement?

    True...


    I agree but arguing about that on line is not going to make people immediately leave their computers to get the job done just because you preached about it on line. The best thing you can do is do your part outside of the internet, and trust that others are doing the same. I mean, you really can't see what they do, now can you? That was not a real question and I don't want to hear about what you are doing in the community. As long as you know what you are doing, you don't have anything to prove to me or anyone else.


    If you really believe that, you will stop trying to convince folk then.:)

    By the way, I enjoy and get a kick out of you and wouldn't wish any harm on you or dismiss you just because we don't always agree.:)



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    Are you saying that loyalty means to condone wrong doings? I don't want you to get the idea that I am trying to pull you into a circle of questions but from what you have said, you seem to think that loyalty means to condone the wrong doings of our loved ones. I love my child but I do not condone the wrong things my child does, I love my mother but I do not condone the wrong that she does either. Condoning the wrong of loved ones does not help them and loyalty to me means to help them because you understand them, even when they have done wrong, if no one else understands them, you do.

    This is just my opinion... tolerance doesn't mean to accept peoples B/S, it just me to accept that people are just that, people. Just as we find fault in people, people find fault in us as well. If we allow ourselves to become nerve racked over people being people, we may as well find a corner where we can shrivel up till we live out our last days and die, because people are always going to be people.

    To conclude that someone is wrong is to make a judgment. Usually our judgments are based on what we perceive to be right and from what I have seen here at Destee.com, everyone seems to think that they are right... Sounds foolish to me and I include my self in this analysis. All of us are right about some things but not all things.

    I agree with that.



    Yes, for some that is loyalty but just because their idea of loyalty is not agreeable to some, does not make it wrong. It's not what you do but how you do it. I remember a good friend of minds back in junior high. She would come to school late everyday because she wanted to make sure her cousin didn't get into a fight with this bully. Her cousin was scared of the bully. The bully used to pick on her cousin because she had what they call long pretty and good hair. The bully would pull her cousins hair and call her names in front of people. My friend felt that the name calling and hair pulling was going to escalate into something else. The bully really didn't bother her cousin at school but she did off the school campus and that is why my friend would take her cousin to school. Any way, the bully finally beat my friends cousin up really bad, even pulled out some of her hair. My friend was so mad and so were some of her other family members. My friend decided she was going to have to beat the girl up but one of her other cousins wanted to be the girl up to. So, they both decided that they would not jump her but that they would each take turns fighting her and that is what they did. They met the girl off school grounds, one would fight the girl then back out for the next one to fight the girl...LOL I kid you no, the girl didn't know what the heck was going on, she hung in their for a while but then she finally ran off. She never bothered my friends cousin again, ever.

    Getting jumped for no reason is not nice but it is one of those things that is a part of life and growing up for some. As we get older, hopefully we learn. Many of us don't learn and that is where tolerance that involves loving from a distance, has kicked in for me. However, I don't love from a distance unless someone has done me something harmful. Having an opposite view in comparison to my view hence debating, is petty, not something to banish people or loved ones out of my life for, along with wishing them harm.



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    I agree, it is good to debate some but even when things go overboard, this is just my opinion, if we look to learn something from going overboard, going overboard doesn't appear so bad after all. As long as no one is laying hands on each other, a good debate that has gone overboard, in my opinion is natural. The thing is, some people don't see it that way, some people choose to become enemies over a petty disagreements. I love to kiss and make up, then move on.:)



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