Omowale Jabali : Hamites or Israelites: Who are BLACK PEOPLE???

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  1. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    According to the Bible, the biblical Patriarch had three sons. One of his sons was named "Ham". Many "Black people" claim that "Ham" is the ancestor of Black people and many believe that all Black people are "Hamites" and that all "Hamites" are "Black people". Sound confusing?...yes it is!

    Then there are those who identify as "Israelites" who claim that Black people are not Hamites but Israelites.

    Then there are those who believe that "Ham" is synonomous with "Kemet" which is also referred as ancient Egypt.

    As far as the Bible is concerned, "Ham" had 4 sons who are referred as Cush, Mizraim, Canaan and Phut. These refer to linguistic "families" and nations, some of which exist today, some which have become extinct.

    Who are the Sons of Ham, and where are they today?
     
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    ChosenSeed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Can someone point me to a black forum that discusses black social, national, and economic issues without religion? Thanks...
     
  3. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Gamites, from the twice lost nation of Gam
    [​IMG]

    Until we develop a real focus on the common good of the Black race, nationaly and globaly
     
  4. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Interesting response especially considering when, in another thread, I was speaking concerning the People's Revolution in Egypt, others came with divisive arguments to the effect of who is and who ain't African.

    So now you talk about focus as if the question of identity is not important.

    What successful revolution has occured with people divided on their National Identity?

    And here's the other thing. I dont post in thread you creat without at least addressing the questions you ask, even knowing the response I will get in return.

    But this just proves to me you not really serious.
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Why not just ignore the post rather than cause distraction? I would think you know how to search other forums by now.

    By the way. This is not a religious thread or a religious question. It is about self-identity and how Black people identify as a people.

    Or do you know the difference?
     
  6. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Maybe it is only me, but I think it is valid to ask WHO we are as Black people on a Black web site. This question goes directly to HOW we identify with each other and on WHAT basis. Fanon articulated the importance of a NATIONAL IDENTITY in his book "The Wretched of the Earth".

    Fanon states,
    "National identity," while vital to the emergence of a Third World revolution, paradoxically limits such efforts at liberation because it re-inscribes an essentialist, totalizing, fetishized, often middle-class specific understanding of "nation" rather than encouraging a nuanced articulation of an oppressed people's cultural heterogeneity across class lines. In other words, although the concept of "nation" unfairly characterizes colonized subjects as historically unified in their primitiveness or exoticness, the term's promise of solidarity and unity often proves helpful nonetheless in their attempts at political amelioration. Fanon encourages a materialist conceptualization of the nation that is based not so much on collective cultural traditions or ancestor-worship as political agency and the collective attempt to dismantle the economic foundations of colonial rule. Colonialism, as Fanon argues, not only physically disarms the colonized subject but robs her of a "pre-colonial" cultural heritage. And yet, if colonialism in this sense galvanizes the native intellectual to "renew contact once more with the oldest and most pre-colonial spring of life of their people," Fanon is careful to point out that these attempts at recovering national continuity throughout history are often contrived and ultimately self-defeating. "I am ready to concede," he admits, "that on the plane of factual being the past existence of an Aztec civilization does not change anything very much in the diet of the Mexican peasant of today." In the passage below, Fanon explains that "national identity" only carries meaning insofar as it reflects the combined revolutionary efforts of an oppressed people aiming at collective liberation."

    How can we as an oppressed peope combine efforts aiming at collective liberation when we are divided over thousands of years of religious dogma and do not even identify as one people?
     
  7. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    "A national culture is not a folklore, not an abstract populism that believes it can discover the people's true nature. It is not made up of the inert dregs of gratuitous actions, that is to say actions which are less and less attached to the ever-present reality of the people. A national culture is the whole body of efforts made by a people in the sphere of thought to describe, justify, and praise the action through which that people has created itself and keeps itself in existence."

    ---Frantz Fanon.

    http://bible.cc/hosea/4-6.htm
     
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    ...........
     
  9. Ankhur

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    Nobody said nothing divisive brother so give it a break, folks simply restated the facts as presented by

    scholars like;
    1 John Jackson, Introduction to African Civilizations
    2 Dr Ben Jochannan, Black Man of the Nile
    3 Dr Ivan van Sertima,
    4 Ashwa Kweisi,
    5 Cheik Anta Diop,
    6 Chancelor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilizations

    that these folks there are mostly Arabs in fact it was called the Unted Arab Republic , so what is all the fuss and emtionalism?



    But you are serious coming here talking to adults that you take literlay a bible metaphor story that uses symbolic language,
    that you want to tell grown folks that a man took

    2 of every spider,
    ant,
    bee,
    beetle,
    roach,
    rat,
    waterbug,
    turtle,
    sea turtle,
    frog,
    toad,
    salamander
    comodo dragon,
    iguana,
    gila monster,
    snake,
    python,
    asp,
    cobra,
    lion,
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    house cat,
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    dog,
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    weasel,
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    koala bear,
    panda bear,
    rabbit,
    hare,
    beaver,
    gopher,
    guinea pig,
    hamster,
    cow,
    buffalo,
    water buffalo,
    deer,
    moose,
    musk ox,
    giraffe,
    gazelle,
    antelope,
    zebra,
    hippo,
    elephant,
    gorilla,
    bonobo,
    orangutang,
    mandrill,
    baboon,
    resus monkey,
    tapir,
    sloth,
    chimpanzee,
    chicken,
    turkey,
    guinea fowl,
    pheasant,
    quail,
    partridge,
    peaccok,
    dodo,
    penguin,

    and put all of them in a single boat????????????

    And take this story literaly and ask where are his grand descendants the descendants from his three sons today????:SuN021:
     
  10. Zim

    Zim Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The sons of Ham today are Africans and those scattered by slavery.
     
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