Black Spirituality Religion : Halloween - Teaching Children to take Candy from Strangers - or something more sinister?

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  1. Destee

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    Hello Everyone,

    My siblings and I dressed in costume, "trick-or-treated," and looked forward to this time of year. It seemed, the most we had to be concerned with was if other children grabbed our treats from us.

    By the time I became a parent, times had changed considerably. It was not difficult for me to decide that my children would not partake in this holiday. I had taught them not to take candy from strangers and then Halloween comes, trick-or-treating, and not only do they take candy from strangers, but they ask for it! A direct contradiction to a fundamental life lesson. Also, I couldn't rationalize checking this candy, as suggested by local authorities via public service announcements. It seemed a lot of trouble, and much more risk, to check this candy with my untrained and naked eyes, or take it to the local hospital to have it x-rayed for needles, razor blades, etc. I had enough issues raising children alone and didn't need anymore, so for these reasons my babies didn't participate.

    I'm wondering if there should have been additional reasons for them not to participate, such as, this holiday was created to worship Satan.

    Are you aware or concerned with the spiritual connotations, if any, of this ancient holiday? I did a brief Internet search and found this site, The Real Meaning of Halloween. It said,
    Do you think it's okay for children to participate in Halloween festivities? Do you think it has no real spiritual effect on our children? Do you think for folk to imply that you are allowing your children to worship Satan, by celebrating Halloween, is going a bit far? Most holidays, like Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, etc., have taken on an overwhelming commercial slant leaving little spiritual value intact, thereby lessening the concern, perhaps?

    What do you think?

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  2. Kitana

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    I think this is one more example where children are no longer allowed to be innocent.....like so many other activities, the threat of danger looms over it and it has become unsafe for children to walk from door to door trick or treating....

    I know if Halloween were celebrated over here I would never let my children participate, it is just too risky..and thats sad in a lot of ways because it means that children of today have to miss out on so much of what made their parents childhood, enjoyable and memorable.....but these are the times we live in....

    also like many other celebrations it has a darker side to it....there are those who will practice satanic rituals, that are associated with Halloween and the festival of death..this world can be a deep dark place for some..I always thought that one ( children participating in Halloween) and the other ( people worshipping Satanism) could be separated, and that they didn't affect one another, but today, I certainly wouldn't trust that my child would be safe wandering the neighbourhood trick or treating....and to be honest, I wouldn't feel safe even if I was walking with them....

    when you open your mind and eyes to the possibilities of what is really out there, it is just getting scarier by the day..and it is getting to the point of thinking that children are not truly safe anywhere, doing anything....

    as for spiritual value...I think this is just a time for children to dress up in a costume and have fun....I had a quick look on the net after I read your post and was amazed at how many sites offer advice on what costumes to wear and where to get them, what candy to make, how to carve the jack-o-lantern, and all sorts of other ideas, which would be fun for the kids, but is just a commercialised money spinner for the retailers....no spiritual value attached...

    I will have another look though and see what I can find on the darker side of this celebration...it's an interesting topic...

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    I used to dress up and go trick-or-treating with my friends. There was no harm in that as far as I (a child) was concerned. I saw a video a couple years ago about people who really celebrate the true meaning of Halloween and was not about to allow my children ever participate in any way. There was a location in California where every year, they sacrificed a child whether the child was abducted or one of their own. (this info was in the video.) I was appalled and that video kept me from letting my children simply trick-or-treat for fun.
    All our holidays stem from a pagan beginning because of how the mainstream church back in the day tried to get "pagans" to convert. But at least with Christmas and Easter, you can really get into the "Jesus" and bible part of it and totally not get into the commercial part. You can't even do that with Halloween and I'm not going to try. I don't even pass out candy.
     
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    Kitana ... thanks for your comments and information on this topic. I've visited the link you shared and am not surprised at what they say there. It seems to be no argument that Halloween is "Satan based." In spite of this, many don't believe that it will have an adverse effect on their lives or the lives of their children, if they participate. Guess it's the time we're living in now. I just read a quote from Harriet Tubman on another web site. It said, "I coulda freed thousands more if only they had known they were slaves...". While totally off topic ... hehehe ... it seems to fit (sorta). :) Thanks again for the info and participation Kitana.

    WildFlower ... Yes, I've seen some of the terrifying and weird things that go on during this time of the year. It is enough to make some folk not want to associate with it ... but then I guess it also draws some folk too. Thanks for sharing your views on this ... much appreciated.

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    I was kinda "bombed out" for my stand on not celebrating Halloween. The "bomber" said, "Halloween means candy for kids, not the implications you're talking about. Don't take it out on your kids!" And to that I say, I'm not. I'm not exposing them to this stuff. I'll explain it when they're old enough but I'm not going out participating with my small children! Those links were very helpful. I e-mailed this page to my sister who told me that she was getting costumes for her daughters and was going to buy an outfit for our infant neice (who doesn't have a clue about Halloween). Anyway, I may seem like a fanatic to some but there's always someone else who'll take it to the next level so I ain't worried!
     
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    Hi WildFlower ... everyone is not going to believe and live the same. That's a fact. Oftentimes when taking unpopular positions, we have to put up with the ridicule, logic, and reasoning of others ... but I think it happens in both directions.

    I do believe that God has given all of us (parents) our own children to do with as we see fit. What we think is best for them. I'd never deny a parent this right. If a parent doesn't think there's anything wrong with Halloween ... it's going to be rare that someone else will be able to convince them otherwise (and I'm not sure how much effort, if any, we should spend trying).

    It takes God opening up our understanding of things.

    Everyone ... keep an eye on the babies.

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    Re: The Real Meaning of Hallowe'en...

    As astrology is the synthesizer of all knowledge, I will expound on this from an astrological perspective...

    The holidays that are recognized and celebrated today were known in very remote times. They exist today because their origin is based on fact. Important and vital truths concerning humanity are embodied in each one.

    The holiday we celebrate as Hallowe'en is a perfect example. This day is especially applicable and interesting because its celebration occurs while the Sun is in Scorpio, the sign of death...and transiting the 8th house of death on the natural zodiac.

    It is well known to many that the origin of this holiday is "lost in the dim shadows of antiquity." But although the customs and ceremonies differ more or less in every country, yet, and at the same time, a basic idea is seen to permeate them all...that ghosts walk abroad, and witches, evil spirits or goblins indulge in their yearly revels on October 31. In ancient times, the celebration continued into the following day, November 1.

    There is much evidence to show that Hallowe'en was originally based on some special fact having to do with procreation (Scorpio is also the sign of sex). While it is a fact that none of the pastimes engaged in at this time serve in any way to attract attention to this secret, nevertheless the Encylopedia Britannica furnishes the following information:

    "On or about the 1st of November the Druids held their great autumn festival and lit fires in honor of the Sun-god, in thanksgiving for the harvest. Further, it was a Druidic belief that on the eve of this festival Samhain, the Lord of Death, called together the wicked souls that within the past year have been condemned to inhabit the body of animals."

    The Scorpion and its sting has been known - from ancient times - as the Angel of Death. But the White Eagle is its esoteric symbol, and is emblematical of the Divine promise of life everlasting to "him who overcometh." The wonderful words, "and he shall go no more out," refer to the overcoming of death. Death cannot take place when there are sufficient corpuscles to sustain life. Thus the real meaning of "All Hallow's Eve," or "Hallowe'en."
     
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    Re: Hallowe'en history...

    The Druids of early Ireland would go through the neighborhoods and countryside on the eve of October 31st to collect offerings to Satan. They would carry lanterns, bags of money, and canes with very sharp points on the ends (currently known as "leprechaun staffs," "good-luck horns," or "fairys' wands"). At each house they would demand a specific amount. If the household would not or could not give the offering (penance or "treat"), the Druid would use the cane to castrate the male human or one of their prized animals...


    (Irene A. Park: "Seven High Pagan Masses and Halloween")
     
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    We have to be so careful

    I am new and just going through old threads.... this one is intersting.. this is a valid question.
    I am very familiar with the meaning of "halloween" and am shocked to see the information that was posted about it being 'satan worship'!!! I know some sites have been quoted and books have been read, but let me be clear some information can be misguiding depending on the motive of the individual author. Especially if it is pro christian.

    Samhain is NOT THE WORSHIPPING OF SATAN!! It is a festival that brings acknowledges life and DEATH. That time of year, Fall is a season of "death" right before the earth sleeps during the winter months. A time of harvest, killing of live stock for food, also a time to honor dead ancestors or relatives that may have died that year. It is also an acknowledgment of the "curtain" being thin btw this physical world and the spirit world. So, it was intially an observance of this fact and taken with respect. Now, male and female witches did their best magick workings durning this time of the year for the communites they lived in. And it was respected. It was a celebration of food, drink and dancing and sweet cakes were given to the spirits who had passed on and to ancestors in honor.
    With the crushin oppression and political hyprocrasy Christanity deemed this practice a long with many other Earth based religious festivals "satanic" and non-christian. So, the flavor of the "halloween" changed over the years and it became a trickster, prankster, monster, and candy giving holiday and associated with the devil. Also, it was not strickly a druid practice.

    Just my two cents.
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    Lady Bastet
     
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