Haiti : Haitians Unhappy with Clinton and Bush in their nation

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Haitians Protest Bush, Clinton in Port-au-Prince
    Former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton visited Haiti on Monday in their roles as co-chairs of the US relief effort there. Dozens of Haitians took part in a protest in the capital Port-au-Prince to denounce the former presidents’ policies toward Haiti while in office. Bush cut off desperately needed aid to Haiti and backed the overthrow of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Bush’s father, former President George H.W. Bush, supported the first coup against Aristide in 1991. Clinton, meanwhile, helped restore Aristide, but only on condition that he accept harsh neoliberal reforms. Protester Elizabeth Pierre singled out Bush, who was making his first-ever visit to Haiti.

    Elizabeth Pierre: “I hear that former President George Bush is here. I am asking President Clinton to excuse himself so I can talk to George Bush, because George Bush is President Aristide’s kidnapper.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/23/headlines
     
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    Damm right, that they protest.
     
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    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Reach...

    Teach...

    Peace...
     
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    More folks here do need to get the truth out about what 'our' leaders were and are doing more than just there--in Haiti!

    :fyi:
     
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    With all due respect ... the most respect one can muster ... i ask ... can beggars be choosey?

    If my children and I, and all of our neighbors, are starving, dying, hungry, buried under rocks, not able to help our selves ... and your Family (USA) sent some help, set up specifically by the Family Leader (President Obama) ... but the Brothers sent to facilitate that help (Clinton Bush), had done us wrong before ... and we don't necessarily like them ... so i'm wondering ... does that put me in a position to insist that some different Brothers come to feed and save us, not these ... or ... is it okay if i ... do all I can to disrespect the show of help from the Leader of the Family (Obama) ... by disrespecting those he sent ... possibly hindering not only myself, my children, but also my neighbors ... from receiving help we can't provide to our selves.

    That's krazee to me.

    If your help offended us so ... then graciously say no to it all ... but to pick apart the help ... "I want this, but I don't want that" ... well, i just wasn't raised like that.

    President Obama asked them to do this, and they agreed. Instead of seeing it as belittling to yourself, consider it belittling to Bush. This is his first time ever visiting the country, so the article says. There are usually several ways one can look at a thing, and I encourage us all, to look at them in ways that empower us / you.

    Take the help, feed your people, shelter them, clothe them ... drink from this cup, for it is yours ... live to see another day ... then fix it so it never happens again.

    We can't save our selves ... but we wanna be able to tell others how to save us?

    I don't get it.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  6. Ankhur

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    So folks should say nothing about the kidnapping of a man that would have placed the nation in a position like Chile? better to handle a disaster?
     
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    You can say whatever you want ... all of us can.

    :heart:

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    First of all:

    Some of us are airing our concerns and worries, i. e., as in--of course--it is a given--as in-- times of adversity and necessity, via the short run-- any and all assist and support, any and all people need and want any and all they can get, though also we have to keep in mind/not lose sight of what may well come next, via the long run...

    Obviously, since some have the power to wield, they will do whatever they feel and think will advance their--not our--economic/social/political interests etc.

    Just because some of us can't and don't:

    I need not co sign policies and practices I don't support/have no real sayso about...

    I. e., this is supposedly a particulatory democracy, though all we seem or sound to have left is just to speak up/out/etc. about how we feel or think others are running this nation, etc.

    That's why I also continue to say and write this:

    What are needed are new movements etc. which empower us as a people...

    Obama doesn't seem or sound to be striving or trying to do that!

    :em0200:
     
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    I am really understanding your focus now, you are not saying the hell with Malcolm and Martin, you are saying ,
    instead be creative and work towards new strategies and a new and fresh movement just like they back then designed a new one rather then dwelling on the past.
     
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    Fair question. At face value, I would say "no".

    Excuse me if I come of as an apologist, yet I find in their protest that they
    are reminding the world why they are(and have been for sometime), in the
    great position of need. Earthquake notwithstanding. Bush and clinton played
    a role in destablizing haiti's politicoeconomic affairs.



    I'd be hardpressed to fine anyone who hadn't been a pragmatist (sp) at some point in their lives, not even when I look in
    the mirror.

    However, I see in their protest, their being suspicious (rightfully so), of the very two who played a role in that nations under-developement, turning around to help them.

    Take the help; maintain a reasonable amount of scepticism, given those
    known past experiences, is what I say.

    No argument there.
     
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