Black Spirituality Religion : Hagar Is Not An Egiptian Name

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  1. Zacharias

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    Many wonder if the name Hagar < Aramic > meaning '' Rock '' is an Egiptian name . Hagar ( which can be found in Genesis 16;4-6 ) ,

    Genesis 16;4-6 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And then he entered Hagar ( having a sexual intercource with her ) and she became pregnant ; And when she saw that she became pregnant , her mistress ( Sarai ) was despised in her eyes . And then Sarai said to Abram , '' My injustice is your fault ; I gave my slave girl into your bosom ; And when she saw with her physical eyes that she became pregnant I became despised in her eyes ; A Yahuwa judge between you and me '' . But Abram said Sarai , '' Here your female slave is in your hand ; Do to her that which is < Tobe > Agreeable in your eyes . And Sarai put her down and Hagar ran away from her face .

    Note that her name was mentioned 10 time in the bible Hagar is not an Egiptian name even though she was an Egiptian . her Egiptian name was Haqa -Re . Hagar Was the Hebrew name used in the bible not Haqa-Re . In reality she was the daughter of I - En-hotep ( a Ptahite )

    Now why would their god not use her real name Ramese was used . The name Hagar < Aramic > is derived from the Egiptian name Hat-Hor or Hathor , which is Hat meaning '' House ' and Hor meaning ' on high of Hor or Hor-us . Hathor was the wife of Haru ( Hor-us ) , the falcon headed sky Neter ,

    who was the son of Netert Aset ( Auset , Osiris ) and Neter ( Usir , Osiris ) . making the triad of Ancient Tama - Re from which all other triads originated from . Hagar became the Egiptian wife of the Chaldean Abram . as mentioned in Genesis 16 ; 3 ..

    Genesis 16;3 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And then Sarai , Abram's Confidante wife took Hagar the Mitsriy '' Egyptian , her slave girl after Abram had dwelt 10 years in the part of the Planet Earth Of Canaan , and she Sarai gave her to Abram her husband to be his < Ishshaw > Confidante Wife .

    and after Hagar gave birth to a son called Ishmael , Sarai became jealous Genesis 16; 4-6 , forcing Hagar to leave to the wilderness where she called upon her Egiptian deity El Roi < Aramic > Genesis 16;13 . ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And she Hagar called the name of A Yahuwa , the one who spoke to her , El - Roi , the El of the sun ( RA Of Egypt who sees with a physical eye ) .

    Just think why would Hagar call on the Egiptian deity El Roi , or Ra unless her name was changed purposely or she was fabricated from the deity Netert Hathor . To make a long story short the Bible and Qura'an didn't make sense , they were fabricated stories of the Egiptians , like everything else today .

    Even Abram name was changed to Abra-ham ( Ab ' father Ra ' the Egiptian Neter Ra ' And ham ' Kham ) . Ab- Ra - Ham , Which means '' heart '' sun deity - blackness '' . So you aee , everything ties back to Egipt . Every major person in your holy bible and Quraan was sent to Egipt . Abraham was sent to

    Egipt , Isaac was sent to Egipt . Moses went to Egipt , Ishmael was sent to Egipt , Joshua , Mary mother Jesus was sent to Egipt , because the King at that time Herod was trying to kill him . The Israelites continuously went to Egipt as shown in Genesis 41;53-54 , And Genesis 43;1-2 ,

    Genesis 41;53-54 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And the 7 years of < Sawbaw > Plentifulness that was in that part of the Planet Earth of Mitstrayim were ended , And the 7 years of famine began to come just as Yosafe had said and the famine was in all of that part of the Planet Earth but in all that part of the Planet Earth of Mitsrayim there was bread and meat .


    Genesis 43;1-2 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And the famine was worse in that part of the Planet Earth . And in time when they had eaten the grain which they had brought out of Mitsrayim , their father said to them , '' Return and buy us a little food .


    Genesis 12;10 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And there was no food growing in that part of the Planet Earth ; So Abram went to Mitstrayim Egypt to seek hospitality there , for the lack of food growing was very bad in that part of the Planet Earth .

    The Egiptian Deity Hat-hor ( Hathor / Athyr ) was replaced with a fabricated person named Hagar . Abraham who was a Chaldean from Ur . which were Sumer-ians and Shinar in your bible , and through out our history the Sumerians are known to be black people Nubians who traveled in many directions .


    Not all tribes were invited into Egipt but Abraham as a Sumerian was invited , that is how he was let into Egipt . he was blood related . Yet There Are No Records In Ancient Egipt That Abraham , Isaac , Or Moses Ever Existed . In The Book Encyclopedia Of The Bible , New Revised Edition Copyright 1986 Pg . 42

    It clearly states As Follows ; The Israelites And Ancestors . Archaeology provide no direct evidence relating to the story of the Israelites and their ancestor until the people occupied their Promised Land . Abraham , Isaac . Jacob and his sons of Canaanite cities and with the pharaohs of Egipt . But it would be extraordinary to find their names in the records of those princes .


    It is also noted in this book that Egiptian Monuments give no evidence of the infamous Exodus . Therefore it should be question where did an Egiptian bondservant as she was called in Genesis 16;1 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; And now Sarai '' princess '' Abram's < Ishshaw > Confidants '' Wife ' could not give birth for him and she had a female servant of Mitsrayim '' Egypt ' whose name is Hagar '' Wanderer , rock '' .


    Where Abraham's wife get the name Hagar from , which is not an Egiptian name ! It is time that we begin Searching for the Answer To These Question And Stop Accepting Anything which we have been told by the worlds so called Religions .

    It is time to ask Question And Stop Believing What You Have Been Traditionally Taught About The Origins Of Man And Religion As You Know It . The Root Of All Civilization Are In Egipt


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    What Is The Difference Between Egiptian Staues And Christian

    ( What Is The Difference Between Egiptian Staues And Christian Staues ?


    Monotheist Says That Egiptians Are Pantheons . Which Is What One Might Call And Idol Worshiper . < Isis Breast Feeding Her Son Horus > But If You Really Think About It The Christians Share Many Of These Same Beliefs . In The United States Of America The Dog Is Considered Man's Best Friend , Almost All Americans Have Dogs As A Family Member .

    The Ram Is Used In Witchcraft And Satanism , Which Is The Fastest Growing Religions In America And Europe . The Cat Is Also A House Pet In The United States Of America . The Cow Is Worshipped In India . The Lion Is Israel And Ethiopia's Symbol .The Spider Is Respected In Islam . AndTheDog Is Called The Jinn A Form Of The Devil .

    So By This You See . You All Worshiped Our Ancestors In One Way Or The Other . Yet The Egyptian Are Called Pagans , By The Same Religious Groups Or Sect Who Have Cat's And Dogs In Their Homes . And Draw All Kinds Of Horses And Carved Statue Of Naked People As Apart Of Art . Then Turn Right Around And Say That , The Worship Of Animals Is

    Paganistic And This Definitely Shows A Contradiction Towards Societies Admitting That The Egiptians Are Responsible For The Civilization Of The World . Christianity Has Brought Over It's Idols And Animal Symbolish And Images . It Can Be Found All Throughout The Christian Churches . The Dove For Example , Descending On Jesus , A Man , God Hanging On A

    Cross , Stained Glass Of Their Supermatural Being Ascending And Descending . The Pope Wears The Cross ; A Symbol Of Jesus Christ Around His Neck . Millions Of Christians Bowing To The Black Madonna ..< The Black Madonna Who The Pope Really Worship And Being Worshipped World Wide > A Misconception Of What Angels Really LQQk Like By

    Portraying Human With Wings , Saints , Doves , A Representation Of Fish . Peacocks All In The House Of God . Muslims Have The Holy Spider Which Saved Muhammad's Life , And The Camel That Marked The Mosque In The Muslim Holy City Of Medina , , And A Holy Donkey Which Muhammad Rode To Heaven .And SomeHow They Are Tricked Into Not Realizing In Exodus 20 ; 4 And I Quote , Thou shalt not make unto thee any
    graven image . or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above , or that is in the earth beneath , or that is in the water under the earth ;...

    Or LQQk At Your Bible Leviticus 26 ; 1 And I Quote , Ye shall make you '' no idols nor graven image neither shall ye set up any '' image of stone in your land, to bow - down unto it ; for I am the Lord your God
     
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    What Is The Difference Between Egiptian Staues And Christian

    That The Laws Of Their God Does Not Apply To Them .The Christian Symbol Or Phrase Is '' Drop Your Nets And Become Fishers Of Men '' Likewise In The Synoptic Writing Or The Apostle Jesus Who Was Called A Fishman Who Walked On Water . In John 21 ; 13 . And I Quote , Jesus then cometh and taketh bread and giveth them and fish like - wise ;.... The Messiah Is Called The Dag '' The Fish '' Dag - On = Dag + on ( Dag = Fish On = Sun ) .

    In That Which Is The Collection Of Ancient Rabbonic Writings , Constuting The Basic For The Orthodox Mosesisim , And He Tied Into TheSign Of The Fish ; The Sign Of Shimmah '' Pisces '' The Deity Oannes Walking On Water Is The Babylonian Deity Dagon And The Pope's Attire With The Mitre '' Headdress '' In The .Likeness Of A Fish . How Is It Possible

    For You To Read Your Bible Daily , Saying That You Believe In It As The Infallible Work Of God , And When God Commands You , You Undermine Him With The Architecture Of Your Chuches And The Symbol In YourChurches , By Money Hungry Preachers , To The Point Where They Are Wearing Idols AroundTheir Neck , Jesus On The Cross .

    Saint Anthony's Cross Is Also A Depiction Of Christian Idol Worship . The Shape Itself Is Thought By Some To Have Derived From The Symbol Of The Sumerian God Tammuz , Or The Letter Tau ;.. Ezekiel 8 ; 14 And I Quote , Then he brought meto the door of the gateof the Lord's house which was toward the north ; and behold there sat women weeping for Tammuz ;...

    This Later Became The Very Prominent Symbol Not Ony In Christianity But In The Ancient Writing Of The Tama - Reans ( Egiptians ) And Other Ancient People . The Use Of The Upright Cross And The Worship Of A Trinity Can Be Traced Back To The Babylonian Empire . Some Christian Try To Make You Think That The Latin Cross Was The First Cross

    To Be Used In History . This Is Quite Contrary , The Cross Known As The Tau Was Widely Used In Egipt . The Crucifixion As A Method Of Death Was Used In Ancient Times As A Punishment For Flagrant Crimes In Egipt , When Assyria . Persia , Palestine Carthage , Greece , And Lastly Rome . Thus The Tau Cross ,
     
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    With The Cross Piece Lowered Was Adopted As The Cross Of Christ . This Same Tau Cross Was Later Changed To The Letter X The Cruz Immissa Which Is Called St Andrew's Cross , Was A Two Beam Cross Usually Depicted As The Kind Of Cross Yashua / Jesus Was Crucified On And Become X-Mass For Christmas The Birth Of Christ .

    The Christian Based Their Belief On The Baptism , The Immersing Into Water . They Say That Baptism Is For The Remission Of Sin Luke 3 ; 3 .And I Quote , And he came into all the country about Jordan preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins ;....But This Baptism Was Not For Remission . But For The Anointment Of Jesus .

    Baptism Is A Ceremony . Trial Or Experience By Which One Is Initiated , Purified Or Given A Name . Isn't This A Form Of Worship Of Water , To Dip Immerse In Water Or Sprinkle As , In '' Holy Water '' On A Person To Cleanse Or Purity . According To Judaic Law , Immersion Frees Oneself From Uncleanliness . The Uncleanliness Is Not Mud Filth Which Water Can Remove .

    Instead It Is Spiritual And Depends On Intention Of The Heart . Therefore , These Judaic Scholars State That ; '' If A Man Immeres Himself Without Speacial Intention , It Is As Though He Has Not Immersesed Himself At All . '' The Easter Egg Is One Of The Best Known Symbols Which Has Symbolized Renewed Life Since Ancient Time , Because All

    Living Creatures Begin Life In The Egg . Egiptians Continue To Color Egg And Eat Tem During Their Celebration .The Egg Is The Primordial Egg That Ra Was Born Out Of . If You Learn Science Of The Primordial Egg This Is where the Tam - Hu ( Europens ) get the Ra , or the Re which symbolize the sun ) .

    This Is Where The Christian Get Their Concept Of The Goose Who Laid The Golden Egg . The Golden Egg Is The Sun And The Goose Was Supposed To Represent The Primordial Mother Of All Nature And That Is Why When You Study Each One Of The Egiptian Deities , Read Theie Names , Geb Is The Guardian Of The Earth , The Soil That Grows Vegetation On This Planet , Is Also Represented By The Goose .
     
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    What Is The Difference Between Egiptian Staues And Christian Statues ?

    Hapi , the deity with the male body with breast and female hips , is the key of hermaphrodites . The Hermaphrodite which is the fertility people which also came down in the temple of Edfu , located in Thebes where Asaeu ( Usir , Osiris ) said '' I am the male and the female .

    '' . He was talking about power of the deity called Hopi or Hapi . If you look it up you would see these things . However , these people all relay it back to coming out of the primordial seed , out of the water . That's why they say chaos is in the woman . There is no egg in Christianity . There is no egg in Judaism and there is no egg birth in Islam .

    The only place where there is an egg birth recorded in in the Egiptian book of the dead . When they say that Ra came out of an egg and then the concept of a stork delivering the baby is the same story that the Christians Stole from the Egiptians . In Christianity the dove is used to represent Jesus at the age of 33 being resurrected from the dead or what was a dead state .

    The Dove is The Holy Ghost , As you may have seen magicians use doves because , if you take a dove in your bosom or anywhere out of the light for a moment it goes into a coma state . The voice was behind the dove and Jesus was laying in a dead state and woke back to life . This again is an ancient Egiptian ritual that was borrowed from the deity Asaru ( Usir , Osiris ) when he was dead .

    The deity Tehuti ( Thoth ) a Messa . Egiptian messiah with his power . gave Aset ( Isis ) the seed to bring Haru ( Horus ) to life . Like Jesus the messiah , did to Lazarus in the bible John 11 ; 43 , where it states ; and thus when Jesus had spoken he cried with a loud voice Lazarus come forth , and he that was dead came forth .

    The fact is that humans have associated themselves with animals since the beginning of time and still do . Just take a look at some of these quite common sayings that people often use '' Sly As A Fox '' Quiet As A Mouse '' Fat As A Pig '' Slimy As A Snake '' . Busy As A Bee '' Strong As A Ox '' Stubborn As A Mule '' Blind As A Bat '' Slow As A Turtle ''

    Amd many more . Christian Preachers have these cruel tendencies to intentionally mislead people by creating double standard and even fabricating new meaning to words that can be found , but they make the statement if you want to hide something then put it in a book .
     
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    What Is The Difference Between Egiptian Staues And Christian Statues ?

    Egiptians are the furthest from being uncivilized , in fact we were the original gods and the civilizers of the world . The originators of the unadulterated Christianity not Paulism , which is taught today as Christianity . The Greek historian Herodotus said it himself , and I quote ; Almost all the names of gods into Greece from ancient Egipt , '' When the Greek established

    their civilization they just took the already existing deities in Egipt and their stories and changed the names just like in the bible stories did . All of your Bibles and Koranic stories were copied from ancient Egiptian but they won't tell you this . The Masonic order George Washington belonged to was also Egiptian based . The wig that George Washington wore is indeed the likeness of the Namuz

    The Egiptian head dress which represents the lion's mane as seen in the Masonic order . The symbol of the Sphinx . The combination of the pharaoh and the lion . The statue of liberty in the image of a woman when Exodus , said '' Take Or Make Unto Thee No Image For Anything , '' According To Exodus 20 ; 4 , Cameras , Videos , Movies And Any Other ,

    Manchine That Can Duplicate An Image Is For Bidden And Christians All Over The World Are In Violation Of The Law Of Their God . Does That Means The Whole World Are Heathens ? And What About The British , Who Keep Very Large Family Pictures Along The Walls Of Their Homes , Are They Heathens ? Abd What About All Of The Presidents Pictures Lining The Walls Of The White House Are They Heathens Also .

    They Would Like You To Believe That The Ancient Egiptians Were Pagans , And Heathens For Idolizing Their Ancient Ancestors . When In Fact Each One Of These Religions And Their Many Sects Pray To More Than One God , By Idolizing Hundreds Of Saints In Christianity . The Fact Of The Matter Is That The Ancient Egiptians Were Not At All Idol Worshippers . The Egiptians Gave Reference To Their Ancestors , And Sought Out Their Inner Divinity Which Have Them The Power To Believe They Are Gods All In All .
     
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    Adam never existed~Neither did Noah~Nor Abraham....

    Therefore, what you post is pure allegory...:pc:


    :pool: The biblical text is "not" an accurate authority on historical origins or of
    geographical locations!:bingo:
     
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    O-really LOLOLOLOLOLOL . You know I could have Bet anyone here $ 1000 .00 you would have made that statement . But hey it's cool LOLOLOLOL NoBigThing ....
     
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    ( What Race Were The Egiptians ? )

    Just exactly what race were the original Egiptians ? Many wonder why the beautiful walls of Egipt were re-sketched and re-painted numerous times by European archeologists who spend millions of dollars in Egipt trying re-sketch tye walls of Egipt into Europeans , Asians

    and mediteranean feastures , lightening up the skin complexion , changing the hair texture and everything you can think of to deceive you . Exactly what are the Europeans hiding from the world ? I'll tell you what . They're trying to hide the true identity of these woolly haired

    dark skinned , beautiful featured , and let's not forget the well developed bodies of the original Egiptians . They can't let us have anything . There is no way that you can hide the race of the Egiptians , who were Melaninite pigmented people . These Melaninite people .

    These Melaninite people are the black eace ? Why is it that the Egiptians were known to have had the most complete and detailed records of every aspect of life , but when it comes down to race , that record is just not recorded , but they are wrong .

    It was just not reconrded in their names . Just like the word Caucasian literally means you are from the Caucus mountains between the Black and Caspian sea of Europe . The Egiptian were from Kemet or Kham as stated in your Bible Old Testament Genesis 5 ; 32 worded as ''

    Cham [ khawm ] 2 ) in late usage , a collective name for Egyptians , so you see the word Kham , is an Egiptian word and means '' Blacks '' was borrowed by the Hebrews from Egipt . You can find this information in a book authored by E.A.Wallis Budge , in an Egiptian

    Hieroglyphic dictionary on page 787 where he says that ; Kam or Kami means '' to be black '' . This is where Kham or Ham who was the son Noah of your Bible in the Old Testament came from Genesis 5 ; 32 , And I Quote ; '' And Noah Was Five Hundred Years Old ; And Noah Begat Shem , Ham , And Japheth '' .

    So the original Egiptian race is very clear are real . In ancient Egipt , they had names for other Races also , starting with the Europeans who they also called Pa Tammahu . They also called the Caucasians Pa Tutaat , and the Egiptian were called '' Khamite '' blacks or Kemet , by all who saw them . However they did not call themselves Khamite .

    What you see in Egipt today are not the original Egiptians . ( The Are Turks From Turkey Who Roamed The Altal Mountains , and Gypsy's From Armenis . ) < These People Are Trying To Pretend Like They Are The Egiptians , But They Are Not .

    They Are Mixed With The Indo - Arabs From Arabia They Also Have The Greek's Gene In Them , But They Are Not The Original Egiptians . > THE EGIPTIANS DID NOT HAVE STRAUGHT , CURLY OR WAVY HAIR , NOR WERE THEY LIGHT SKINNED , WITH PINK AND CREAM PIGMENTATION OF THEIR SKIN .

    ( They Were Dark Brown To Black Nuwbuns ( Nuwaubians ) With Nappy , Woolly Hair . The Black Race's Greatness Has Been Accepted In America And Many Books As People Of Tim-buktu Africa , Or The Olme-cians From Uganda , Africa

    Who Migrated And Walked Here To The North And South America To Set Up Colonies Way Before The Conti-nental Drift , And Were Accepted As Runing The Richest Trading Expeditions Ever . But when it comes down to us ( Blacks In The Western World Today ,

    Who Are Trying To Claim Back Our True Culture And Nationality As The Egiptians ) Who Were Chased Out Of Our Homes The World Tries To Hide It . ( They Don't Mind Us Being Christians , Muslims , Israelite Hebrews , Africans , 5 Percenters Or Indians , But They Don't

    Want Us To Link With Our Ancestor's ' Culture. You Can't Hide The Fact That The Egiptians Were Black , And That We Are The True Egiptians ! And I Will Prove It By Showing You Face To Face , Features Of The Same People , Walking Around Today , But Yet Have The

    Exact Same Features Of The Egiptians , PICTURES DON'T LIE . Just Like The Europeans Accepted Us Nuwbuns ( Nuwaubians ) To Be The First Set-tlers Of America , Accept Us Now As The Race Of Egipt , Who Came Here And Settled From Uganda ( Egipt ) .

    Accept The Fact That We Were The Pharaohs , Goddesses , Scribes , Alchemist , Pyramid Builders , Musicians , Dancers . And Great Inventors Of Our-History . Accept The Fact That We As Egiptian Were Black Rulers , And Pure As Ever !! All You Have To Do Is LQQk On

    The Walls Of Sumeria And Egipt . And There You Will Find Yourself , The Negroid . You Will Find Your Blackness In South America And Central America As The Faces Of The Olmecs Long Before The Caucasoid And Mongoloid Came Here , These Olmecs Had Obvious

    Negroid Features And Kinky Hair , Which No Other Race Or Animal On The Planet Earth Have . These States Reveal The Truth About Who The Indigenous People Of The Continents Of Africa , And North And South America Were , As Well As The Whole Planet Earth .

    First , We Are The MOTHER And FATHER Of All Other Races , And Secondly Know That They Are All Our Children . You Really Only Have Three Races ;
    1 , Negroid
    2 . Mongoloid
    3 . Caucasoid

    The 2nd And 3rd Race Came From The First Original Black ( Negroid ) ! As True Egiptian , We Are Confirmed On The Walls Of Every Temple , Mir ( Pyramid ) Sebkhet ( Pylon ) , Granite Stone And Tekenu ( Obelisk Nee-dle ) There Is . So Europeans Denying The True Race Of The Egiptians ?
     
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