Black People : Grisso's discussions of Cultural Asili

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    http://theafrican.com/Magazine/Asili/intro.htm

    "This is the program at work I think when the same kind of white folk who stood in the school-house door 35 years ago to prevent Blacks from getting in, start talking about a "color-blind" society...I think it is the same program at work when light-colored Puerto Ricans and Brazilians, among other Latin American types, assert the primacy of "culture" and the non-existence of race(especially of the Black sort)."

    "If you argue such patent nonsense as the non-existence of race, you get no further ahead in attacking the core problem of racism, which lies in the spiritual debility of European cultural thought and behavior."

    "...all I would say to you is I hope you never get Crofted."
     
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    "Under the value systems of the European asili, falsity and faithfulness flourish. Look at your beloved President for example. As could be inferred from what you said earlier, all things are connected. I deplore the culture that permits behavior that is unrestrained by right-thought and right-knowledge, but I do not for a minute suggest that the deficiencies of the culture provide an excuse for those who do wrong. We stand accountable as individuals for our violations of Maat. We also stand accountable if we accommodate ourselves to a system based on wrong-thought and injustice, and fail in our duty of moral resistance. Don't pretend to stand for right, yet flinch from TRUTH."
     
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    "When I look at the problems of Black folk worldwide, it is hard to leave white folk out of the analysis given the past few hundred years of history which hang like a bad stench over everything. If you want to ignore the clear inferences that may be drawn from history, thinking that that is what your God requires...I respectfully submit that your theology also has been infected with the same stench that infects everything else that...the barbarian has dished out to us."

    "If TRUTH appears to you to be bitter, then the bitterness is not of my making. Nor am I "trapped" in any sense in a bitter lament...Quite the contrary, I want those who are trapped in a...circularity of delusional thinking...to confront honestly the many lies that we have been told."
     
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    "The African asili yields the right to land as a fundamental article of the traditional African constitution; the European asili yields the right of might as an organizing principle, and has given us in turn feudalism, imperialism, slavery, neo-colonialism, as well as capitalism and wage-slavery, and male domination and sexism."
     
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    I remember struggling with Marimba's terminology of "asili" and "culture". Will def check up on this.

    Thank you, Brother.

    One,

    - Ikoro
     
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    "So, again, if you want to address the question whether women are oppressed in African society, you do not ask has any African man ever beaten his African woman, or shouted her down. You ask what are the constitutional provisions respecting the role of women in society"

    "Now, there is a contrasting African asili, because everywhere in Africa, across disparate nations on that great continent, you find that they share in common a traditional article of constitution, namely the right to land, as distinct from the private ownership thereof."

    "In the same way, the picture painted in Africa of African-Americans is similarly biased, and similarly motivated, so that Africans coming over here are warned ahead of time to steer clear of those crazy Negroes!"

    "the European asili gave us one barbarism after another in its social arrangements, namely fuedalism, imperialism, slavery, colonialism, neo-colonialism, and sexism, all based on the notion that the stronger has a right of might to steal the land and labor of the weaker. That is barbaric, and for that reason, inferior to a system in which the fundamental values, for example the "right to land," would make all these things constitutionally unacceptable."
     
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    Great stuff

    "My point was only that in the traditional African society, women and their role in society were not denied, as we see in the very concept of God in the European view. The African saw God as being both male and female, and the role of women in the society reflected that shared divinity between male and female principles."

    "There is a fundamental Euro-asilic assumption hiding behind this, namely that men and women should be "no different," because all difference may be lineally ordered into superior/inferior, dominant/submissive. The African asili allows for difference without implied superiority/inferiority."

    "...I do not leap to unwarranted conclusions about whole societies based on the complaint of one..."

    "Don't you find it a wee bit inconsistent that on the one hand you are blind to European crimes against humanity, saying that they are "no different" from us, yet as soon as Africa comes into view, the very notion of a common African asili is objected to by on the opposite ground that these "tribes" are all different. This kind of inconsistency on any matter connected with race is characteristic of Euro-thought, and explains how they are the ones that can institute and maintain a system of racism(white supremacy), yet, whenever it is challenged, the challengers would be the ones deemed to be "racist"...And I notice that certain Blacks or...complain loudest and longest at any attempted African-centered challenge to the manifestly unjust existing Order, and are the most passionate defenders of the European worldview."
     
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    "But if the oppressed considers himself just as odious as the oppressor...then the rational and cynical thing is not to resist the oppression...There is no moral basis for such resistance if I consider that there is moral symmetry between oppressor and oppressed."

    "...a listing of fundamental rights respected all over Africa, based on customary laws and traditions...the right to equal protection of the law...the right to land...the right to petition for redress of grievances...the right to criticize and condemn any acts by the authorities or proposed new laws...the right to rebellion and withdrawal unmolested..."

    "As to the severity of penalties, that squares with the absence of prisons in traditional African society, also the good order and absence of crime that...Arab travellers in Africa commented upon, also the Portuguese and the Dutch when they first started their encroachment."
     
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    Ah... The old Grisso piece. I enjoyed this read some years ago.


    Tuhwi
     
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