Black People : Going to Jail for not paying child support

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  1. legit-writer

    legit-writer Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I dunno if anyone started a thread about this yet, but I need to vent right now for the sake of one of my friends. I think its outright stupid to put a person who has a job and is making strides to pay child support in jail.. I mean who does it benefit exactly? No one! Its not paying the 'debt' that is due and when they are done serving their sentence they have difficulty finding a job. We as taxpayers have to cough up money to have space for people like this person I know who do not even deserve to be in jail. And it definitely does not benefit the child's mother who open her dang mouth in the first place when he came back in town just to spend some time with his own woman and child they have together....wtf came up with that fragerknacle bull that they call law? Sorry, I had to vent. One of my friends fiancee went to jail and has to be there for like 4 months and to make matters worse, he most likely will have to go to jail all over again because he has another warrant for not appearing in court ... why didn't he appear in court? Because HE IS IN JAIL! And why he did not appear in court prior to the jail sentence he is serving now? BECAUSE HE WAS AWAY ON A JOB! I mean really? And worst of all, my friend's son is starting not to even recognize his dad anymore. He's not even say "dada" like he used to. I'm sorry to go off like this, but this system is really screwed up.
     
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    ummmm,...forgive me for asking these questions... how long has it been since he made a payment? how long has he been on this job? how long has he gone not paying it before he found this job?

    Depending on what state you live in, laws tends to be different. Here in OKC, if a parent paying child support go too long for not paying anything, even if they do have or gotten a job and is tryn to pay something, they are still liable to be picked up because of going over the time frame of not reporting changes. i don't know if that is the case or not with him but it can happen.
     
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    Things like this happen when we are too lazy or ignorant to put a sock on it. You do not get out what you don't put in. The solution is not insight but foresite. There needs to be more foresite used in the community. Or as the old folk used to say back in the day :" An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
     
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    he hasnt had a job so because of that he has not been able to make payments like he needed to but before he got the job he recently had, he made money doing studies and stuff and someone one of the child's mothers (the one who got him put in jail) would tip off authorities somehow and he has to fork over every penny he has and because of that, he could not pay the other child support he needed to pay. he had hard time finding a job here in town, so he finally found a job where it required him to travel and he was making money, and he would send money to his fiancee to send off for child support. so he was really doing his best, but he still ended up in jail.
     
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    there are folks i know who actually never been in jail in the past, yet picky about what job to get to start paying child support. I feel that's who authorities should be after. And I know a couple of guys like that. And to make it worse, this person I am talking about wants NOTHING to do with his son. This person that's in jail wants everything to do with his children but either the mom doesn't want him in the child's life or the woman who got him put in jail uses their daughter as bait somehow when in reality she is using the money on herself and not the child.
     
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    And yeah I understand the jail thing is punishment but still it isn't benefiting anyone really. it's not getting the 'debt' paid. it's not going to make it any simpler for him to find a job when he gets out and he will most likely end RIGHT back in jail because he has 'failed' to pay child support when financially he is not in a position to due to him not being able to find work no matter how high, low, far and wide he has searched for a job. it's just plain wrong!
     
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    Actually, the government doesn't care at all about whether or not you pay for your children. You could have a baby with a man and he could walk off forever and noone in the Government will say a single word to you. They don't care about you, your child or his father.

    The parents can make any kind of arrangement they want for support. They can change the arrangement when ever they see fit. That's between them and them.. And those arrangements are outside the jurisdiction of any court. Again.. nobody cares.

    But when you make a deal with the devil, you gotta give him his due. And when those mothers went down to the county office and filed for "benefits", they traded the father of their children for those benefits. He was handed over to them for cash and services. And now he belongs to them.

    it's a blood sacrifice.
     
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    This is a not good situation, and the system does not work. that is not good for the family or the male. families need the parents not just money
     
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    And on top of all that, while you're in jail, the amounts still increases. A man is put into that loop that in essence has no end. Of course, one should care for those he helps bring into the world, but if there are no jobs to be had, what is one to do.
    Of course there dead beats who just don't care, but there are also some who would if they could. That's why each case should be handled individually, taking into account all variables, instead of using some guidelines.
     
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    consider this:

    A committed father that married and supported his wife and family for the first 15 years of his child's life can find himself in a jail cell for lack of support after losing his job in a down economy, financial tensions can very easily lead to a divorce.. and the mother of those kids can very easily go down town and grab a hold of Uncle Sams unchanging and ever-extended hand. She can find in Uncle Sam a provider that is never out of work.. and that is never argumentative.. she can sign up with a provider that is always on her side.. and that never requires her to compromise... and all she has to do is sign her name.. and take those benefits .. and now he belongs to them. And it's not because he's lazy or ignorant.

    And if you still cant see what I'm saying.. consider this:

    A criminal record disqualifies you from most jobs. And so locking up people that have been unable to meet financial responsibilities exacerbates the problem by decreasing their chances of gaining employment. It's actually hurting their ability to earn. Cutting off a mans leg because he's not running fast enough is no solution at all.

    but it is a solution to a justice system that is funded by crime. If the family can't profit from him, the state can. Per prisoner funding is a reality.. for-profit jails are a reality.. and they are all for-profit because their employees depend on head count to justify their jobs.. court fees are the life-blood of the courts.. his being in the system provides jobs for hundreds of thousands of people.. 37 billion spent on prisons in 2007.. that's 37 billion tax dollars shuttled to the pockets of citizens on behalf of the folks housed in those prisons. Thats a business model.. not a justice system.

    It has nothing to do with kids and support and responsibility. It has to do with this: If they get you , they got you.. and it doesn't matter how they got you.. once they get you.. they aim to keep you. like Pretty Tony said in The Mac.. "once I get a bit##, I got a bit##".. it's a pimp game. Doesn't matter if its a traffic ticket.. or child support.. or jaywalking.. or driving while black.. or murder.. it's all the same.. you are all food for the game.. for the system that lives off of your existence.. and it's been that way since slavery..

    why do you think the federal government went after Garvey? He was talking about leaving America.. why was leaving a threat? It's because they had built their system of living on top of us.. they depended on us.. Why did the boycott in Alabama work? because they depended on those dollars for their system to work. If we didn't ride those buses then some of those folks would lose their jobs..
    But those same drivers could pick up new jobs in law enforcement.. and he can earn his money from that same pool of people.. It's like saying, We can do this the easy way, or the hard way.. You can give me your money.. or I can get it from you another way.. either way, you're going to pay me.

    Why did restaurants serve black folks out of the back window? If they hated us so much, why serve us at all? Because they depended on our money. If we don't fill those jails, those schools, those county offices, those run down houses and projects, those check cashing places, those banks, those gas stations, those beauty supply stores, etc.. their entire economy crashes into the sea. Black people are the fundamental element of the U.S. economy.. and we always have been.. from Slavery to now. That fact has never changed.. the form of it has only transitioned from one era to the next. And thats the reason why everything we do leads to jail.
     
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