Black Spirituality Religion : God will feel happy if the souls are happy even if human incarnation is not recognise

Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by dattaswami1, Aug 19, 2006.

  1. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +10
    God will feel happy if the souls are happy even if human incarnation is not recognised

    Even if the human incarnation is not recognized and not served, God will feel happy if the souls are happy. The father feels happy if the children are settled and peaceful living with happiness, even if they are not recognizing and serving Him when He comes to their house. Therefore God will not mistake you if you do not recognize and serve Him when He comes to your world in human form. He will feel happy if you are living with happiness. Therefore, He thinks about the ways by which you will be settled and live with happiness. He will not mention about the duty to serve Him when you are disturbed in this world.

    Arjuna was very much disturbed and therefore the Lord started with self-attainment (Atma Yoga) only, which is the way to attain happiness and peace. He did not start with the sacrifice or service to God (Paramatma Yoga). When the child is disturbed, it needs the help from the parents in the form of sacrifice of work or sacrifice of wealth. Initially the parents help the child by doing both these but this cannot be continuous. As the child grows, he or she has to stand on own legs and settle in life. After such settled life only, the parents expect the child to serve them.

    Similarly the soul has to attain peace and happiness standing on its own legs and this is the second chapter of Gita in which the self-sufficiency is to be achieved without any dependence. In Atma Yoga, the Lord in the second chapter of Gita taught about the self-realization which is the attainment of peace and happiness with the self-effort. When the life is settled, the issues are expected to serve the parents by sacrificing work (Karma Sanyasa) and by sacrificing fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga). The parents are not in need of any wealth. Still they are the owners of the property. They are only happy if your love towards them is proved through the above-mentioned practical sacrifice.

    Similarly the Lord is not in need of your service. The Lord desires to taste your love and feels happy through such sacrifice. In fact you are earning only due to the sacrifice of parents. Similarly all your wealth belongs to the Lord only. But the dualism is maintained because the taste of love exists only in the ignorance that is dualism. You have earned some money. The flesh of your body that is working is from your mother. The talent by which you are earning is from the wealth of your father. If you realize this and serve the parents, there is no real taste of love. Similarly the parents also realize that truth, there is no taste of love to them also. They can enjoy the love of their children only when they think that the children are sacrificing their hard-earned money in the parent’s service.

    Similarly, if the parents think that the earnings of the children are only due to their help, they cannot enjoy the real love. Therefore, the real love is enjoyed only in the ignorance (Avidya). But if the children became ungrateful, then the parents have to educate them with the truth (Vidya). The Lord says in Gita that both Vidya and Avidya are created by Him only which are meaningful in their own contexts (Mattah Smrutir…..). Thus the Lord preaches the Atma Yoga in the beginning which is the attainment of peace and happiness by self-realization and then only proceeded with Paramatma Yoga which is the field of service and sacrifice to the Lord after settlement. If Gita stops with the second chapter, the story ends with Atma Yoga only which is the settlement of life of the children. If the story stops there, it would be Gita preached to the ungrateful ghosts and demons. Therefore, the other sixteen chapters of Gita concentrated on Paramatma-Yoga which is the sacrifice and service to the God when He comes to this world of human beings in human form.

    But if you see the stories of human incarnation which is the same as that of the parents visiting the houses of their well settled children, the behaviour of the children proves worse than the nature of even the wild animals. Jesus was crucified! Krishna was shot dead! Sankara was killed by black magic!


    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

    Anil Antony

    ********************************
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@***************************
     
  2. Keita Kenyatta

    Keita Kenyatta going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2004
    Messages:
    5,642
    Likes Received:
    3,328
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +3,382
    How do you know what God would feel? How do you in your wisdom seek to attribute "human qualities" to the infinite? Furthermore, who told you Yeshua (Jesus) was crucified? Where are you coming off with this stuff? Do you possibly have some secret history hidden somewhere that the rest of us don't have?
     
  3. ANGELIC SOUL

    ANGELIC SOUL Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2003
    Messages:
    190
    Likes Received:
    2
    Occupation:
    I gotta a job while I chase my dream
    Location:
    Michigan
    Ratings:
    +2
    I seek clarification

    I think, I may be wrong, but I am thinking that this dattaswami1 is coming from a religion that is called Hinduism. Hindu's have a lot of tales to tell about the creation of man kind and the attributes that we were created under. No different than the bible to some is a book of fables or stories. I don't feel that he she is trying to offend, it's just another way at looking at God as female and male aspect.

    If I am incorrect, please educate me, I love to learn about new and different cultures.

    Angelic Soul:spinstar:
     
  4. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +10
    re;


    ANGELIC SOUL;


    God is He


    From the beginning the wife is in the control of the husband. Veda says that the Lord is ‘Purusha’ (male). His power called as Maya is treated as His wife. Veda says this (Atha Pursushohavai, Purushayevedam, Paraasya Sakthihi, Indro Mayaabhih). The modification of Maya is the world. The Jeevas (souls) are a part of the world. Therefore Jeevas are also modification of Maya. Such Jeevas are the servants of the Lord. This world and Maya is called ‘Bharya’ (wife) that means who is maintained. The Lord is called as ‘Bhartha’ that means the maintainer. Among the Jeevas the males are also treated as the wives of the Lord and as ladies only, as said in Veda (Striyah Sateeh Pumsa Ahuh). The male sages have become the female Gopikas.

    This world is called ‘Prakruti’ which is sub-divided into

    1) Para Prakruti which is the life or consciousness or awareness

    2) Apara Prakruti which is inert matter.

    Prakruti is only the modification of Maya. Maya is associated with the Lord.

    Prakruti is also called as Maya because there is no difference between Maya and its modification. This is told in Gita (Maayaam tu Prakrutim). The Lord and the world are mentioned as Purusha and Prakruti both stand as husband and wife (Prakrutim Purusham Chaiva).

    When the Lord comes as Purusha in human form, His devotees come as the servants of the Lord to participate in His work. Due to such souls the Lord is entertained. If you take the Lord as the universal Eeswara, then all the souls in this world are His servants to entertain Him. The Lord alone cannot enjoy as said in Veda (Ekaaki Naramate). His power Maya is treated as His wife who is modified into the world to entertain Him. This Maya is awareness and is called as Para Sakthi. Maya is in the form of several wishes. This Maya is converted into the inert five elements called as Apara Prakruti. This Maya (Para Sakthi) entered some inert bodies in this world. Such Maya, which is present in any inert body is called as Para Prakruti.

    The inert body is Apara prakruti. Any living being is the combination of Para Prakruti and Apara Prakruti. The Lord did not enter any living being and therefore any living being is not the Lord. The Lord enters a particular living body present in the womb and when such living being is born, that is said to be the incarnation. Lord Krishna at the center is such incarnation and the Gopikas around are the living beings. Even Arjuna is a living being. Whenever the word Prakruti comes, it means both Para Prakruti and Apara Prakruti which are the two sub divisions. In Gita the Lord said “Prakrutim Svaam” which means that the Lord enters Prakruti.

    Therefore the Lord entered both Para Prakruti and Apara Prakruti because the word Prakruti means both the sub-divisions. The Lord also said “Aatma Mayayaa”. This means the Lord enters the Prakruti with His Maya. Veda says the same (Tadevaanu Praavisat). In this context Veda says “Sa Idam Sarva Masrujata Tat Srushtva” which means that the Lord created this world and entered this world. The Lord enters a living body present in the womb. The living body consists of the five inert elements called Apara Prakruthi and also life called Para Prakruti. Therefore the living body is called as Prakruti. When Maya (Para Sakthi) enters a non-living body, that body becomes a living being. Therefore when the Lord enters the Prakruti it means that the Lord enters a living body only which is the combination of both Para Prakruti and Apara Prakruti.

    Both these put together is called Prakruti.

    This means the Lord will never enter only Apara Prakruti, which is the inert body. Veda says this (Natasya Pratima Asthi). When the Lord enters Prakruti, such living being is called as the human incarnation. The Siva Linga indicates the wave nature of life energy (Para Prakruti). The statue of Lord Vishnu indicates the matter, which is Apara Prakruti. Matter and energy are inter convertible as per science. That means Siva and Vishnu are inter convertible forms as said “Sivaya Vishnu Rupaaya”. Brahma is the Lord who enters both the Siva and Vishnu who represent the life energy and the inert body. Then it becomes the human incarnation, which is given to the world called as ‘Datta’. This is the meaning of the three heads of Datta.

    Therefore the statue of the Lord indicates the Purusha. The statue of the female indicates His power Maya, which is modified as Prakruti (world). The power and the world, entertain the Lord like a wife entertaining her husband. The male and female difference in the two statues is not the actual difference of male and female in the world. All the living beings including the inert world containing rivers, mountains etc., along with the power Maya is represented by the female statue. All the jeevas are Prakruti and therefore female only. Due to this reason Meera asked Tulasi Das whether there is any male in the souls. Therefore the female statue indicates the group of servants who entertain the Lord in Human form and the male statue indicates the Lord. Maya is like the ocean on which the Lord is lying.

    A little of this water is modified into static ice vessels. Some of the vessels are again filled with the water of the sea. Such vessels filled with water are the living beings. The other ice vessels, which are not filled with water are just the mountains, rivers etc., The water present in the ocean is Maya or Para Sakthi. The same water that exists in the ice vessels as little quantities is called as Para Prakruti . First a little seawater is modified into ice vessels. Similarly a little of Maya (Para Sakti is modified into the inert five elements.

    You can consider the seawater as dynamic and the inert five elements as static ice. But the dynamism and static nature are not the difference between life and inert matter because even the inert light is dynamic. Therefore you cannot say that the dynamic water is life and the static ice is the inert matter. Of course science says that the inert static matter is the condensed form of the inert dynamic energy. Therefore here the inert matter is produced from inert energy. But how the inert energy like light, heat etc., is produced from the life energy (Para Sakti)? The life energy is Maya and the inert energy is the Apara Prakruti. How this Apara Prakruti resulted from Maya (Para Sakthi)? This is the mystery of the creation of the Universe. Due to this mystery only this power is called Maya.

    The word Maya means wonderful. From the earth plants are produced as said in Veda (Pruthivya Oshatha yah). Here the plant consists of inert matter. Therefore into this inert matter (Apara Prakruti), Maya entered and the plant becomes a living being. The life energy is not doing a particular work, which is called as mind. Mind is the work of the awareness and that work is desires. In the plant the awareness does not do this work and therefore plants do not have mind. But in animals, birds etc., the awareness started doing this special work and therefore they possess mind. In human beings apart from mind, the awareness started doing another special work called decision and such work is called as intelligence or buddhi. Therefore the same life energy is present in plant or animal or a human being.

    They differ only by the special works of the awareness. The male statue and the female statue in the temple are teaching you this wonderful divine knowledge. Those statues are made of Apara Prakruti and not the Lord and Maya and Lord and Maya have not entered those statues as said in Veda (Nedam Tat, Neti Neti, Natasya Pratima). They are only the instruments of the knowledge and the vision of such statues can give you divine experience and bliss. You have read this knowledge present on the paper. The paper and the printed sentences are only instruments of knowledge and can give you vision and bliss of knowledge. This does not mean that the paper and the sentences are the divine Lord. The divine Lord is also not present in this paper and sentences. Unless you learn the divine knowledge from this paper and printed sentences, this paper and the sentences are a waste. Similarly if you do not understand the divine knowledge represented by the statues, the statues are a waste for you.


    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

    Anil Antony

    ********************************
    Universal Spirituality for World Peace
    antonyanil@***************************
     
  5. Angela22

    Angela22 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Country:
    United States
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2013
    Messages:
    6,586
    Likes Received:
    2,894
    Gender:
    Female
    Ratings:
    +3,317
    The Father does have happiness when His children are happy, when His creation is in a state of joy, certainly. Though we deserve all the punishment He places on our heads for our disobedience to His Word, He still gives us blessings to find happiness in. The Father is glorious and merciful in all His Way, and should be praised from all corners of the earth.

    He has alone saved us unto His own Being by sending His Son as sacrifice for our sins, and has granted us redemption in the Son's resurrection from the dead. All we need is to have faith and belief in His Way and works, and He certainly won't leave us behind. We'll have a happiness everlasting, which we can't even imagine on this earth. Blessings.
     
Loading...