Black People Politics : God is not on our side: The religious right’s big lie about the founding of America

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  1. Clyde C Coger Jr

    Clyde C Coger Jr going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,


    God is not on our side: The religious right’s big lie about the founding of America

    Reagan and others pushed the idea that we're a Christian nation chosen by divine providence. That's not the case



    One of the more popular and enduring accounts of America’s past is that of its religious founding. Belief that the British-American colonies were settled largely by religiously devout people in search of spiritual freedom, that the United States government was founded in part on religious principles, that the Founders intended to create a “Christian nation,” and that America is a specially chosen nation whose success has been directed by divine providence has resonated in the national psyche for generations ...

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    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/28/god...rights_big_lie_about_the_founding_of_america/

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    Inventing a Christian America: The Myth of the Religious Founding




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    Interesting evaluation from three different opinions so I will weigh in with mine. First, in the Bill of Rights it says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Also,"...or abridging the freedom of speech," My take:

    The English colonists did not want a church chosen by the government/crown to institute their certified church for use, i.e. Church of England..therefore, the first amendment of The Bill of Rights was established. That is the only thing this first amendment means, that government should stay out of our religions and the language of, or speech, as in doctrine, text and policy used to support the way of worship. Any government that comes in saying that church should be moved where no one can see it publicly, that Christ should be removed from Christmas, that preachers should be sued because of verses that offend a certain group of people and we should start tearing pages out of the Bible as this is "abridging" freedom of speech and worship, and was the exact reason our founders established the first amendment.

    The Founding Fathers were Deists, believed in the Judeo-Christian God as being the ultimate governing hand over all and wanted to read the scriptures for themselves. Therefore what they wanted is religions free from tampering by any. We can all read for ourselves and no one group is going to take away our freedom to learn of God when we all have a capable mentality to do that to prove what God says or doesn't say we should do. This way nobody can use force, government or demonic force without being discovered as liars using God as their power seeking justification unless the government starts amending our Bill of Rights.
     
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    Interesting.

    Sources?
     
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    "The Myth of a Religious founding" is no myth:

    Otherwise we would not have a First Amendment.

    "Ethiop (William J. Wilson) wrote, "God, in his all wise purpose, has reserved this fair land (America) for other, and higher and nobler purpose, than a theater for the exhibition of prejudices, bitter hates, fierce strife, dissensions, frauds. On the contrary, it was so to speak reserved for centuries, 'like a sealed book,' (See the book of Revelation) and then thrown open just when needed by the Great Author himself that men of every tongue, and clime and hue, should gather thereon, and perfect their development."

    America is a place. It is, like Ethiop said, a place to perfect our development. Some of our imperfection sailed here from Europe until Americans got together and abolished it. The founders wrote a view that would blossom through time, perfecting with fulness through more inspired men, christian beliefs and votes. More proof of the hand of God in the choice and preservation of this land. America is a sifter or pan swirling the gravel away until the gold is disclosed. This country is written of in the scriptures and designated as a "daughter of Zion." America is where the prophesy of the vine of Joseph sent over the wall to establish God in freedom. His "coat of many colors" alluded to the people of many nations who have come here. The fact that Joseph was first a slave and then became great in America is also the visible hand of God who raised Joseph to Pharaoh, or inspired of God to bring understanding and knowledge of God as he served him every day. Everything is predicated on faith and righteousness among people of the land which brings all the blessings as a country and individually to people.

    The principle of democracy is God inspired. Even W.E.B. DuBois said Black men should pursue democracy in this country.

    Lincoln: The problem with the Confederate praying to God for a win, and the Union praying to the same God for a win, God has to favor who is bringing the principles of his will to the nation he has his purpose for. As you can see it was the Union who had the will of God with them.
     
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    "The founders came from similar religious backgrounds. Most were Protestants." www.britannica.com

    They all agreed that there was a creator of the universe, Deism. Jehovah/Christ claims that "In the beginning..." that was Him that He is the creator of our heavens and earth. So Deism is also Christian.
     
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    there is intelligent life on this planet

    at least here

    on point and on time

    good morning destee family

    and have a great day too will a
     
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    Thank you, You too.
     
  9. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    The article, and book posted, was written by Steven K. Green. Please explain how you arrived at this willa:

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    Interesting evaluation from three different opinions .."

    After reading your missive on the article's title in juxtaposition to the extremely large amount of text in the article, its obvious you addressed the title and not the content; which is an excerpt from Green's book, explaining several new arguments, fairly covered throughout the text.

    Here's the premise which propelled him to delve into this on-going controversy:

    "... Opinion polls indicate that many Americans hold vague, if not explicit, ideas about the nation’s religious foundings. According to a 2008 study by the First Amendment Center, over 50 percent of Americans believe that the U.S Constitution created a Christian nation, notwithstanding its express prohibitions on religious establishments and religious tests for public office holding. A similar study conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion in Public Life revealed even higher numbers, noting that “Americans overwhelmingly consider the U.S. a Christian nation: Two-in-three (67%) characterize the nation this way.” Other studies indicate that a majority of Americans believe that the nation’s political life should be based on “Judeo-Christian principles,” if the nation’s founding principles are not already ..."


    In regards to separation of Church-State matters, which also refutes the idea the U. S. is a Christian nation, Green shares this position:


    "... For many religious conservatives, the Supreme Court’s embrace of a secular-oriented jurisprudence of church-state separation was unsettling and went against their understandings about the nation’s religious heritage ..."

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    The above link is general and non-specific.

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