Black Spirituality Religion : God is Female?

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  1. Destee

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    Hello Family,

    I read this in another thread here on the forum, "The First Concept of God was the Feminine Principle," and well, it excited me and got me feeling more Godly and stuff! :D

    Do you agree with the statement? Can you share more about this please?

    God is Female? Have i taken this one statement too far?

    Thank You.

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  2. Aqil

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    Destee:

    First of all, the Bible says, "male and female created HE them..." (Gen. 1:27)

    Secondly, the statement does not say that God is a female...it says, "the first concept of God was the feminine principle," which I disagree with...

    God is the Creator of the Universe and all that is contained therein, including the female elements in it...the human female, and all feminine principles that exist in the Universe...

    However, the male principle was created first. I say this because Man represents the Sun, the positive masculine principle whose element is fire, therefore creative power. Man is the conscious mind that is contained in the cerebrum, or higher brain...

    Woman represents the Moon, the negative feminine principle whose element is water, therefore birth and life (all life began in water). Woman is the subconscious mind that is contained in the cerebellum, or lower brain...

    Man is the Sun, woman is the Moon. The Moon reflects the light from the Sun because it has no light of its own. Man plants the seed, woman bears the fruit. “Sons of God, daughters of men.” It is the natural order of things...

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  3. gempis

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    I believe our minds can only handle so much on this plain, and we have to narrow things down into our frame of reference to understand them. We only understand humans in terms of female or male, so naturally we assign a sex to god. God transcends gender.
     
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    Well said gempis...
     
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    DESTEE! I covered this in my Something of a Revelation post.

    You know the one that you refused to read?

    I laid it out piece by piece, from Sumeria through Egypt to the Hasmonean Dynasty.

    Ah well. I suppose I should delete it and make it palatable.
     
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    Thank you, Pharoah Jah.
     
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    Amongst most non-muslim and non-christian Afrikans, the very power and word of God is expressed as the divine feminine principle/energy.

    The Yoruba say that the male ruler of the holy city Oshogbo is to be given spiritual authority to rule by the Orisa Oshun(Goddess/power in nature). Oshun possesses the keys to spiritual communication and the affective use of that communication in governing our lives and the world.

    In Khemet, it was the divine words of Auset that resurrected Ausar.

    This is a universal pattern among Afrikans that have remained true to our indigenous forms of government and worship, and virtually unheard of in christianity and islam.

    Ashe
     
  8. TruthOrSquare

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    Destee, Is God a female?

    Sister,

    I do not think that your out of bounds by your question. It does have a great amount of truth. God really means, force and power. Therefore, the duality of the nature of God produced two physical beings that have different natures, but both execute and manifest great strength and power ie., man and woman. God is called "HE" because of the masculine characteristics of his nature in man and his innate potential to rule. But that does not take away from the role of woman and her ability to function as God on another level where man is incapable. For example child bearing. The child's God is mommy and every man came from and reared by a woman at some point. Almost every man loves his mother. That's her power. To carry life physically and express the unconditional love of the One God. Man carries life in him also. He also has his power. When men and women can respect the power (roles) of one another then we can grow to see God in each other. The Man and Woman together will represent God when we acheive this. But, we say God is One! Now, is the Supreme being a man. Thats another topic hopefully for another post (smile).

    Hope this helped.

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  9. Aqil

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    The Creator of the Universe has been referred to in the masculine gender since time immemorial. The earliest example of this is in The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the holy book of the ancient Egyptians. It was written ca. 1500 BC, but historians say there are texts which are known to have existed in revised editions and to have been in use among the ancient Egyptians as early as 4500 BC, some 5,000 years before the advent of Christianity. A profound excerpt from one of the passages reads as follows:

    “God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning...

    He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being...

    He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures...

    No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number...

    God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body.

    God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be. He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains.

    God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.”

    (The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani, transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii)
     
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    Unlike Christianity and Islam, Traditional african religions are matriarchal in nature. From the earliest times, the great mother Goddess was venerated.... along side her male counterpart as co-creator.


    Maat, being central to the Khemetic overstanding of the cosmos and nature. Maat was the first idea that was seperated from the primeval nonexistence when the world was created. By the idea of Maat the basic laws for creation and structuring of the universe was formed

    The Concept of Maat, personified as a female deity, is the focal point of the philosophy of ancient Khemet. It pervades thinking on all levels of existence: the cosmological level, the idealogy of kingship, the social level and the individual level. Maat is intimately connected to the creation "myty" at Annu and Atum

    It was Atum who had given life to Shu and Tefnut, through his androgynous powers. It is said that Tefnut is the living daugther of Atum and is to be together with her brother Shu. His name is Life and her name is Maat!

    Without Life and Maat,there is no possibility of creation; and movement, dynamics and differentiation must be guided by an ordering, structuring and regulating principle. Thus Maat is an integrated part of the creator god himself

    There would be no God without the Goddess

    Out of creation the Sun. Ra is born, to travel from east to west, measuring the time and growing older for every passing hour of the day, until he dies and disappears into the underworld below the horizon. Here again. the ordering and structuring principle of Maat is at work, ensuring balance, and that there will be re-birth the next morning. Here is a Hymn you might like Destee

    O Ra, Lord of Maat
    who lives by Maat
    who rejoices in Maat
    who is complete in Maat
    who persist because of Maat
    who is praised by Maat
    who is powerful through Maat
    who is crowned through Maat
    who ascends in Maat
    who descends in Maat
    who nourishes in Maat
    who is joined in Maat

    Ashe
     
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