Black Spirituality Religion : God is experienced through the medium

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    Vidyullateva .

    (An electric wire is seen but not the electricity. This is a simile to the mediated God. )

    When the electricity charges the metallic wire, the wire is treated as the electricity. The electric wire is seen but you can say that the electricity is seen. The electricity is seen through the wire indirectly though not directly. The electricity pervades all over the wire and when the wire is touched anywhere, the electricity is experienced through the touch of the wire. Therefore, the verbs like seen, touched etc., apply to the wire and not to the electricity. But, indirectly the electricity is experienced through the shock. Similarly God is experienced through the medium, since the medium can be treated as God like the live wire.
     
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    Veda says that God alone knows God

    Vedaahamaikshadityavirodha Oupadhikam hi .

    (Veda says that God is known and seen. This does not contradict the above said unimaginable nature of God. These statements only refer to the medium in to which God entered.)

    Veda says that God is not seen by eyes. But the same Veda says else where that a fortunate devotee sees God (Kaschit Dhirah..). Similarly, Veda says that God alone knows God. But the same Veda says that a devotee knows God (Vedaahametam….). This seems to be a contradiction in Veda. But there is no contradiction, because God enters a medium for the sake of devotees. Then the medium is charged by God and the verbs like known, seen etc., apply to the charged medium and not to the original God
     
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    The unimaginable nature of God is elaborated in Veda

    Aamnaaya Vistarat cha.

    (The unimaginable nature of God is elaborated in Veda by various statements).


    Veda clearly elaborates the unimaginable nature of God through the following statements: Words cannot give knowledge of God (Yatovaachah, Na tatra vaak…). Even mind cannot touch God (Apraapya Manasaa Saha). Intelligence cannot reach God (Namedhayaa, Yo Buddheh Paratah..). You cannot understand God through logic (Naishaa Tarkena…, Atarkyah..). Senses cannot grasp God (Nachakshushaa…, Aprameyah…, Atindriyam….). All these statements have elaborated the concept of unimaginable nature of God by any means.
     
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    God is known as unknown

    Amatam Matamiti Shruyate Giyate cha.

    (God is known as unknown. This is said in Veda and in Gita also)

    Veda says that angels and sages came to know only one point about the God after long hectic discussions. That single point is that God is unknown (Yasyaamatam Tasyamatam…). Even Gita says that no body knows anything about God (Mamtu veda Nakaschana.). Therefore, the unimaginable nature of God is clearly established by the sacred scriptures.
     
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    Veda says that the knower of God is God Himself

    Aatmajneyam Mahimevaasti.

    (God is known to God and hence the prerequisite condition is fulfilled. For human beings, the unimaginable God can exist like the unimaginable miracle).

    Veda says that the knower of God is God Himself (Brahmavit Brahmaiva…). Hence, though God is unknown to human beings, He is known to Himself. If you say that the existence of anything must satisfy the prior condition of its knowledge, the rule is not violated since God is having His knowledge. Then, you may say that God exists for God only since the prior condition is limited to God only. This is not correct because you are agreeing the existence of an unimaginable miracle also in the world. When the miracle is demonstrated, it is unimaginable but its existence in the world is accepted. Hence, the existence of unimaginable item like miracle exists in the case of human beings.
     
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    - if the above is true, then would this statement also conclude that Veda and Gita don't know??

    - if the above is also true, then someone has lied to us. If we are made in "his" image, how could "GOD" give birth to "human beings". WOuld not "God" give birth to other Gods and Goddesses??

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    - this is an oxymoron, as the nature of GOd is also the nature of ourselves...


    - Yes it does!!!

    "some teachers may speak well, some may quote others well but a true teacher just teaches" are you being taught by your elder dattaswami, or just being spoken too?

    I humbly await your response........

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    info-moetry; thanks for your interest in knowledge about God.


    Asbolute God is unimaginable by any means. Human beings cannot know Him. The knowledge about Him is that He is unknown. He is beyond space and time. Our inteligence can never cross the sapce and time. So, we can never imagine God.

    Gita and Veda are scriptures. A medium of langauge is required for conveing the concept of unimagianble God. When we use the word unknown, unknown does not give the knowledge of God. Suppose I do not know a topic in mathematics, does it mean because you used the word unknowable, you know it? The very meaning of unknowable is you do not know.


    For communication something is required, statement that God is unimaginable, that can be explained or conveyed only through a medium of language. If you say that the medium is worldly items, and it conveys something, what it conveys, still you have not found any information about God. Atleast one aspect of God is known that is God is unknowable. It means if one does not know even that aspect, then God is completely unknown.



    God knows about Himself this statement is not with respect to human beings. Who is the knower of God? God alone. No body can know Him. The meaning of these scriptures is; nobody other than God can know Him. When He comes in human form and perform Miracles, nobody can understand those miracles. But the miracle is under His control only. So God exists, but we do not know His existence, that is all.

    It is a question of why it is non-existence. Does it mean that God not exists? God exists, the only thing is, for any object to say that it exists, you know the information about it, and you imagine about it and say that it exists. For example, we say that the pot exist, cow exist, tree exits etc all these items cow, tree etc are imaginable items, we imagine them and we say that they exists. You know about it and say they exist. But you do not know anything about God, still you have to say that God exists. Thus existence of God is quite different from the existence of all other worldly aspects.

    What is knowledge, God is unknowable is the knowledge of God. Suppose you project some knowable items as God, after logical discussion you realize that it is not God. This is also knowledge of God. It is knowledge related to God. First you have to know that you are not God, what is the path to please God, all these are knowable. Only God is unknowable, and God also become knowable, how? Through the medium He becomes knowable. That point also is no problem. Why should we worry about Him through a knowable medium?
     
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    Now you may ask, why God is keeping the unimaginable state

    God is coming to the earth in human form from the beginning itself. He is preaching the atheists, He also shows miracles, then why this unimaginable state of God?. If you know everything about God, after some time the value on God will decrease. Suppose a subject is not understood, you will have some difficulty regarding that subject, but if it is understood then you will have light view on that subject. Therefore God maintains His unimaginable state, so as to save human beings from Ego. For such divine purpose only He is keeping the unimaginable state.
     
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    I told that God is unimaginable, such God comes in human form to give His presence to us. He is known as Human Incarnation. Here also, one who recognises Lord in Human form also do not know God. He only experience God through that medium of human incarnation. Through medium of human body, when GOd interact with us, we can touch Him, talk to Him, see Him and co-live with Him and clear all our doubts without any tesion and fear. Thus for the benifit of human beings only Lord enters a medium and make Himself available for the people in this world. The main aim of mediated God is to preach and uplift the human souls. Even no one can understand the God present in the human incarnation. One can recoginse so and so human being is Lord in human form, from His divine knoweldge which removes all our doubts.

    Divine knoweldge is the proof of Lord existing in the human incarnation. By this one can serve the unimaginable God. Means God has descended to the level of human being for the benifit of human beings only. Thus only through human incarnation one can please God. Any service done to the human incanation in this world is directly received by God present in Him. Thus human incarnation present in this generation is the only way.
     
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    - by stating that there is an Absolute God means that there is an un-absolute God.

    by using the term God period, one must be able to show and prove such a being. We can sit and study, or quote different philosophies all day which sound good and are long winded to try to confuse one another. The only problem is when you can't confuse the one you are trying to confuse.

    - and what is your proof of divine knowledge? and also here, you have gone from calling God God to LORD....

    you see this is what religion does to the human mind when it is sold to the individual who is in search of a higher power. It pretends to feed the individual truth, while in reality only giving the seeker an illusion to hold on too.

    - and you know this because?? This is like saying i'm going to wait for santa (satan spelled another way, which is why he wears red) to come down my Chimeny even though I live in an apartment building.......

    - If God alone is the only knower of God then why did you start this thread???

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