Black Spirituality Religion : God is beyond logic

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    God is beyond logic

    The actions of unimaginable God are also unimaginable as stated by the Veda “Apanipado…”, which means that God can run without legs and can catch without hands. If you apply the same worldly logic, you will object to this and say that God must have legs and hands to run and catch. Similarly, when we say that God wishes to create the world or when we say that God is enjoying His creation, you should accept that God wishes and enjoys without being awareness. Therefore, do not try to make God imaginable or knowable by applying the logic of the physical world. The Veda clearly says that He is beyond logic (Atarkyah…, Naisha tarkena…etc).
     
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    This is only partly true. I agree that God is beyond our possible knowledge in many ways. However, to apply ridiculous claims that go against all of Gods laws is not what God would want of us. If we God did not want us to use the ability to reason then it would not be one of our capabilities. In the religions of the world, at some point, they ask you to dispense logic in favor of faith. This is not a wish that God would have for us.

    We should use logic and knowledge to weigh evidence in order that we may discover truth. It is a never ending journey but it is necessary. Whenever one asks us to "just believe" when it is contrary to logic...then we KNOW it is not of God.
     
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    God is logic
     
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    Not according to the bible. It has things in it that are illogical and all you chrisitians can say is...well God COULD do it that way if he wanted to. That is not logic...that is we "well we just believe".
     
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    You obviously don't believe that God is all powerful
     
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    God is always unimaginable and unknowable for any human being and under any circumsta

    God is always unimaginable and unknowable for any human being and under any circumstances because He is beyond the dimensions of space and time. This is very much stressed in the Veda and the Gita. There is no second thought about this point and Shankara also said the same when He said that God could be understood only in deep sleep. In deep sleep (Sushupti) there is no entity that understands (Jnata) because the process of understanding (Jnanam) disappears. When the process of burning disappears, there is no fire. If you say that the process of knowing itself is the knower, then also the knower is absent because there is no process of knowing in deep sleep. The knower can no more be a knower if the knower loses the process or quality of knowing. Then the knower is converted into an inert item in deep sleep. Infact, this is true according to science also because the knower or process of knowing is converted into inert energy in deep sleep. Shankara means by His statement that God is unknown as indicated by deep sleep, in which a state of total ignorance remains, indicating that one is totally ignorant about God (Sushuptyekasiddhah…). You cannot say that the knower or the process of knowing (knowledge) itself is God, because in that case, God is not eternal but vanishes daily (converted into inert energy) and is born daily (inert energy is converted into the knower or knowledge). This is not acceptable because God is eternal.

    To evaluate the unknown answer [in Mathematics], you represent the answer by X and then get the answer for X using the given data. But in the case of God, the answer will always be unknowable and unimaginable. The link between the unknowable God and the knowable items of the world is also unknowable and hence no data related to God can be knowable. In the Mathematical problem, since the answer is knowable, the data related to the knowable answer is also knowable with the help of which the knowable [unknown] answer can be evaluated. But that is not the case with God. Hence, any knowable item of the creation can be made as the representative of God. The only knowable experience about God is that God exists.
     
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    Veda says that God is beyond even imagination and logic and therefore cannot be obtained by anybody through any effort (Na medhayaa…). But, in the same place, Veda says that God is attained by topmost devotees, who are very anxious to attain Him. In the same place Veda again says that God reveals His medium or body to such devotee in which He exists so that God is attained by devotees indirectly. Nobody can attain God directly. The only way to attain God is indirect method in which God enters a medium and identifies with it. When the current enters the wire, the current pervades all over the wire and the current is experienced through shock by touching the wire. Here though wire is touched directly, current is experienced through the wire indirectly. Even though this appears as indirect way, it is also the direct way because the current pervades all over the wire. Similarly even though medium is experienced, it means God is experienced through the medium. Hence, in one angle it appears as indirect way but from another angle it is as good as the direct way.
     
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    Shock here is the unimaginable nature of God. You experienced a miracle from Jesus. The miracle is unimaginable. Jesus asked Lazerus to become alive, he become alive, the dead body become alive. Is it not unimaginable? So what is that you experienced, what is the shock you received? Shock is nothing but the unimaginable nature of God. Infact you have shocked by seeing that incident and it can be treated as real shock also! Detection of unimaginable nature does not mean that you have imagined the unimaginable nature. You have only detected the existence of unimaginable nature. Jesus give life to the dead body, it is unimaginable. What you have understood? The unimaginable power exists in Jesus that is what you have under stood. The unimaginable nature has not become imaginable to you. You have only understood or detected the existence of unimaginable nature in Jesus. That is the shock.

    Gita says that God takes a body for the divine purpose of satisfying the devotees
     
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    Veda says that God can run without legs and can catch without hands

    Veda says that God can run without legs and can catch without hands

    (Veda says that God can have the quality to do the potential work without being the corresponding item).

    Veda says that God can run without legs and can catch without hands (Apaani Paado….). According to the worldly logic, the item that runs must have legs and the item that catches must have hands. But God runs without legs and catches without hands. This means that God is beyond the worldly logic and hence is unimaginable.
     
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    The reason for God being unimaginable

    The reason for God being unimaginable

    (God is unimaginable because God, the generator of space, is beyond the space. The intelligence can never go beyond the space).

    Veda says that God is the cause of space (Atmaana Aakaashah….). Cause can be seen in its original form, only when its effect is destroyed. The lump of mud can be visualized only when the pot is destroyed. Hence, to understand the original God, the space must be destroyed. When the space is destroyed and does not exist, the situation is unimaginable, in spite of your intensive imagination even for hundred years. Since, your intelligence cannot cross the space, God, who is beyond space can never be imagined by human intelligence. This is the reason for God being unimaginable.
     
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