Black Spirituality Religion : God comes in human form in all places of the earth & in every generation

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  1. dattaswami1

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    God comes in human form in all places of the earth & in every generation

    God comes in human form – in all places of the earth and also
    He comes in every generation – that contains both good and bad.
    If devotees of one generation are – favored by His direct visit,
    God becomes partial for no reason, – God is not such mad!
    Priests never accept human form – of God before their eyes.
    They like the worship of models – that represent God indirectly,
    So that the results of worship – indirectly come to them finally.
    Priests did not give place for God – after Buddha in Kali age.
    Buddha came in the beginning of Kali, – priests showed Kalki
    At the end of this Kali age, – no human form till the end.

    Similarly Christian priests – opposed Jesus when He was alive.
    After Jesus, they say that – Jesus comes only in the end.
    The psychology of priests – is the same in the whole world!
    Krishna said that He will come – whenever He is required.
    ‘Jesus will come again’ means, – He will come in next generation.
    If the guest says to you – that he will come again to you,
    Does it mean that he will come – only once in his entire life?

    In Christianity the soul after death – waits till the final enquiry.
    In that case the soul meets God twice, – once in its lifetime
    And finally at the time of enquiry, – this is justified, if no rebirth.
    Every soul meets God in human form, – once while it exists
    On the earth in the human body, - finally in final enquiry.
    This is possible only if God – comes in every generation.
    Otherwise, souls born - along with Jesus were only lucky,
    Since they alone met God as Jesus – and in final enquiry.
    All the other souls have only – one chance to meet finally.
    This is again blind partiality, – God can never be blind.
    Any priest in the world – does not like contemporary form
    Because the benefits of service – to God should come to him.

    This is possible only if God – is limited to symbolic models.
    The human psychology is always – selfish and egoistic here.
    Jesus told that He and His father – are one and the same.
    This is Advaita, He told that He is – the son of God, this is
    Vishishtadvaita stating that – son is part and parcel of father.
    Jesus told that He is messenger – of God, this is Dvaita stating
    That God is master and – Son of God is His servant.

    Mohammad stressed on Dvaita, - since all souls are servants,
    God is the master to be served, - then Son of God is not special.
    This will remove jealousy of priests – towards the Son of God.
    This will avoid crucifixion of – Son of God by priests.
    Remember, Mohammad came – just after Jesus and tried
    To avoid brutal consequences – of jealousy of priests on
    The Son of God or contemporary – human incarnation in future.
    Mohammad said that God – never becomes human being.
    It is perfectly correct, – current is not converted into wire.
    It only entered wire – God in flesh, Manushim Tanumashritam,
    Mean that God entered human body, – not converted into human body.

    Human body means gross body – with the liberated soul selected
    By God for human incarnation, – the soul is a part of the body.
    The soul is causal body, – the qualities in soul are subtle body.
    The soul acts as personal assistant, – as inert as the gross body
    Due to total surrender to God, – this soul is the Son of God.
    Every soul has equal chance – to become the Son of God.
    Every student has equal chance – to get the gold medal.
    But in an year only one student – tops and gets gold medal.
    The other students should not – hate the topper by jealousy.
    The chance given was not – properly used by other students.
    Neither God is partial nor – the topper should be blamed.
    Still there is time, use it, – next time you may be topper.

    Even during stay of God, – God is God and soul is soul.
    Even in live wire, current – is current and wire is wire.
    Wire is only treated as current – for all practical purposes.
     
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    Questioner08 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I've studied a few religious scripts and being "rational" i found out that it wasn't the scripture which talks about God comming in human form it was the mind of the people in those times ... and it passed on as the scriptures got corrupted ...

    Jesus never said in his life that I m God or Worship me ... He prayed to the "Father" whenevr harship struck him by ... He said "God is one , the father in the heaven" .

    If at one place he said God and I are one ... then a few verses later he said As od and I are one , you n I are one as well (to his apostels) what it means now ? apostles are also God incarnates? No we failed to understand it's meaning which is very very simple to understand but our conservative mind dnt let us even think about it ...

    Similarly a Hindu who knows his scripture well will tell u that God is one and He has no form ... But the one who has never read his scripture will believe in one , three , thirteen , or a thousand gods ...

    We must turn to our scriptures to find out the truth ...

    "Seek ye the truth and truth shall set you free"
     
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    If you go back to Genesis You'll see God did come down to Qi = Earth ..


    Seek ye the truth and truth shall Make You Free Not Set You Free
     
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    I m a Muslim and I believe in Quran, not the Bible ... Can u show any sort of evidence from the Quran that God came down to earth in human form ? And for me Genisis is not the proof ... I've given u many points for the corruption of Bible , n No one bearing sum Good Head will believe in how Bible Portrays The God Almighty , comming down n talking to Abraham, Abrraham washing His feet and complaining him , and God saying that I'll go in the other city to find out what is the actual matter. Also God was wearing an armour so He couldn't travel between the mountains , also God riding a cherub ... Do u attribute this to God Almighty. Shameful.
     
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    You ask me what religion do I Adhere to Yes , And I said I don't have one . Also the the question was did God ever came down to Qi = Earth , And my answer was yes and if you go back to Genesis you will see that God of The Bible Came Down To Earth . OverStand Something ok . I'm only shareing what I have learn nothing more no less . If you want to know if I accept What the Bible / Koran / Qur'aan Teaches , My Answer is This Both Of These book are nothing more then Hadiyth = Words Of Men .

    If you like we can discuss Islam Ok . If your answer is Yes . Let's use chapter and verses ok .

    P.S. By the way I'm not here to convert you to my way of Overstanding only discussing / shareing .
     
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    Is it possible for God to come in Human form?

    How can one argue that the Lord cannot come down in the human form? If He is incapable of doing so, He cannot be omnipotent. One need not argue that though the Lord is capable, there is no necessity of such human form. You may not have that necessity. Are you the only human being on this whole earth? Have you taken the opinion of all the human beings to say like this? There are several devotees who belong to Nivrutti and desire for the Lord in human form to see (Darsanam), to touch (Sparsanam), to hear the knowledge and clarify their doubts (Sambhashanam) and to live along with the Lord (Sahavasa) for achieving these three for a long time. The main purpose is preaching the divine knowledge and clarify the doubts.

    The statues or photos or energetic forms or space cannot preach the knowledge and that is against the universal observation (perception). Preaching of the knowledge by the human forms of the Lord like Krishna, Jesus etc is observed universally and accepted perception. Such universal observation is according to the rules of the nature. When something is possible through a simple way by following the rules of the nature, is it not foolish to do the same simple thing in the complicated way violating the rules of the nature? When water is available in plenty from the tap, what is the necessity of producing water by forcing Hydrogen and Oxygen to react with the help of an electric arc? To show the production of the water by this reaction, this experiment can be performed once but not every time whenever water is required. To show the super power of the Lord a statue or a photo or the energetic form or even formless space may talk once.

    But to preach the spiritual knowledge continuously, the Lord need not talk continuously through statues or photos or energetic forms or space. Some devotee might have experienced such super power in some place and in some time. Such experience is not supported by simultaneous universal observation. When you are seeing the moon in the sky, others are also observing the same moon simultaneously. This is required to authorise any experience. When this authorisation is absent, your experience may be true or might have been due to some psychological disorder. The existence of such psychic experience is also observed in this world. Therefore we cannot isolate the possibility of these two cases in your experience

    Therefore there is a necessity for the human form of the Lord and since the Lord is omnipotent, He is coming down in the human form. There cannot be any further argument on this point. I know you are worried that the Lord is modified into the human body and thus the unchangeable Lord has to be changed. Do not worry about this point, because the Lord is never modified into the human body. He only entered into the human body. The word “Asritam” in the verse of Gita “Manushim tanumasritam” means the entry of the Lord into the human body and not the modification of the Lord as a human body. Lord Krishna in Gita clarified this in the verse “Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam”.
     
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    God (Holy Spirit) and Human Incarnation

    STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40

    Lord Jesus was the human incarnation of the Holy Spirit. The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit. Veda says ‘Antarbahischa’ which means that the Holy Spirit pervades all over the body of Human Incarnation. Wherever you touch the wire the electric shock is given. Similarly the entire human body of Holy Jesus is holy. The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity.

    As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus refers this Holy Spirit as His Father. He tells that He was sent by His father as a messenger. Though He and His father are one and the same, He speaks like this for which there is a practical reason i.e., every human being repels with another human being. A man cannot accept another man as God due to Jealousy and Egoism. Bhagavatgita says, “A man will insult Me when I come here in human form (Avajananti mam….)”. For this purpose Holy Jesus wants Himself to be called only as the messenger of the Holy Spirit by the disciples whenever He is introduced to the public. If He tells the truth the egoistic public will not hear even what He preaches and will reject Him. Therefore He is telling His disciples to introduce Him as a messenger only. Ofcourse, the disciples are really the messengers of Holy Jesus.

    Holy Spirit has taken over the human body of Holy Jesus and pervaded all over the body to preach the divine knowledge to this world. The same Holy Spirit is sending the disciples for the propagation of the Divine knowledge. Both the body of Holy Jesus and the disciples are instruments of the Holy Spirit chosen for different purposes. The Holy Spirit is preaching through the body of Holy Jesus and is propagating the divine knowledge through disciples. Therefore if you respect the disciple you are respecting the Holy Spirit indirectly. Though both the instruments exist like this, the Holy Spirit is present in Jesus and is not present in the disciples.

    Due to this difference the disciple is an indirect instrument and the direct instrument is Holy Jesus. The disciple propagates the divine knowledge after hearing from the Holy Jesus. Therefore when such disciple is respected, Holy Jesus is respected first and then the Holy Spirit. But among the disciples there may be some person who cannot repeat what Holy Jesus exactly preached. In such a case the Holy Spirit will take over the body of that disciple and preaches (Mathew 10: 20). Such a disciple differs from Holy Jesus because the Holy Spirit resides in that disciple for some time only where as the Holy Spirit resides in Jesus all the time.

    Holy Jesus is telling that He is the messenger of the Holy Spirit and He is also telling that the disciple is His messenger. He is giving the same status to Himself and the disciple by telling like this. The reason is that some disciple may become jealous in future if He says that He Himself is the Holy Spirit where as the disciple is His messenger only. The difference in the status may bring jealousy. Therefore He is maintaining the equal status so that no devotee becomes jealous of Jesus in the future. Due to jealousy the disciple may slip from Holy Jesus.

    When He says that He is only the messenger, this shows the humble and submissiveness of Holy Jesus. He wants His disciples to be humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit through out their lives. For this purpose He sets Himself as an ideal. The Holy Spirit present in the human body of Holy Jesus is the essence of true and infinite knowledge as Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma….” Humbleness and submissiveness are the fruits of the Divine Knowledge. Therefore the humbleness and submissiveness are the qualities of the Holy Spirit itself. This means whatever Holy Jesus speaks is the statement of the Holy Spirit only.
     
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    The human incarnation comes in every generation but you are not coming in every generation. The rebirth as human being is almost impossible and completely impossible as per Christianity. In such case you are having only one chance to contact the human incarnation present in your generation. If you miss this, never again this luck comes. The next meeting with God is direct where He acts as judge. Therefore, there is no second coming of Jesus for you and you will meet God finally only.

    In this way the second coming of Jesus at the end can be understood. But if you say that you cannot meet the human incarnation in your present generation, you are not having the opportunity even for once. In such case, why a particular generation in which God came in human form as Jesus was only blessed? They had the extra fortune and this means God is partial to that generation. Therefore, every person in every generation will have the equal chance of coming in contact with the human incarnation once in his or her life and the final contact with God in the energetic form as judge.

    Therefore, the impartial God comes again and again for every generation (Yada Yada hi…..Gita) but you are not having the chance to meet the human incarnation again since you have no human rebirth. One may get the human rebirth in extreme exceptional situation and you should not depend on that because it involves high risk. The human birth, the urge for salvation and coming in contact with the human incarnation are the three real fortunes and the importance increases from left to right in the order. Therefore, simply having the human birth and having the urge by taking orange robe are not sufficient.

    Unless you contact the Lord in human form and get the right knowledge for correct implementation, every thing is waste (Manushyatvam Mumukshatvam, Mahapurasha Samsrayah, Durlabham—Sankara). There is no quarrel if you say that the second coming of Jesus is only at the end because every one is having the equal chance. But if you say that I have to worship the past human incarnation only even in the present generation, then the equal opportunity is not given to Me when I am compared to the human being present in that generation in which Jesus came directly and clarified all the doubts face to face. I must have such equal privilege and here the quarrel comes with you since you deny the equal opportunity.

    The second coming is final with respect to every human being but not with respect to God because in such case several human generations miss the chance of direct contact with God in human form except that one particular human generation. Even if you say that Jesus told that His second coming is only final, it is true with respect to every human being and not with respect to Him. You have misinterpreted this statement by extending it with reference to Jesus also because you want to exploit the people in the name of past Jesus and get personal fame and other facilities from the devotees. You are in no way different from the priests present in that time of Jesus.

    Both of you do not admit the human form of Lord. Both of you keep the past which is invisible (invisible Jebhova or invisible Jesus) before the devotees and earn money and fame. The only difference between you both is that that priest got Jesus killed through the court and you cannot do that in the present time. The repulsion towards the human form before eyes is common to both the priests and devotees. But in the case priests there is an extra factor that they may lose fame and offerings from the devotees because they get benefited standing at the back ground of the invisible form of God or inert form of God.

    In the case of devotees, this extra factor does not exist because they are prepared to sacrifice for God and they are not losing since they do not receive. Any Guru or Priest immediately resists human form of God based on these two factors since he fears that the human form may get the fame or their offerings. Thus, there is political, economical and social issue of psychology in this spiritual line. Attraction to fame and money associated with jealously and egoism is the main back ground and Lord Datta brings out the truth that is buried up to any depth. All the details of truth are known to the omniscient God. Veda says that the knowledge of God is always based on truth (Satyam Jnamam).
     
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    I believe the Father has sent His Son but the One time He has been needed for His sacrifice on the trees to save us from our sins. I believe that after His resurrection from the dead, He ascended to sit at the Right Hand of the Father, and thus He has been there, yet also with His faithful in the Spirit. Faith and true belief will reveal these truths to anyone, and one will know that the Son's visit has saved generations of faithful. He needn't come the same way to preach the same again, but to do as He has taught us He would when He comes again.
     
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