Egypt : Gnosis - the ancient knowledge of the Egyptians/Khememu

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You sir, do your religion a disservice when you resort to ad hominem attacks with those who may disagree with you.

To say nothing of the disservice you have done to all in this thread.

You will not garner any support for Islam by calling people stupid or insane, or ignorant or arrogant. And it says, quite frankly, a lot more about you than it does anyone else.

I wish for you that this could be understood fully, given your tyipical responses on Destee, the lesson is sorely needed. A little maturity can go a long way, the same goes with kindness.


Peace to you and clarity of thought,

Penny
I will say this, though. I sincerely aprreciate your low level sense of humor as it is so dearly needed in these parts. As you can see, your low level sense of humor is better than no sense of humor at all.
 

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Whenever he find himself in a precarious situation he tends to say "I have been advised not to debate stupid people.". That's when we say, "who are you calling stupid"? He gives you a thank you as to say 'if you have to ask then your proving my point'.

These methods can be included in the trolling dictionary. He takes shots at you in a way that appears to be legal (thanks button after calling you stupid) to the forum and doesn't specify who he's actually calling stupid - which allows him to go around the rules - this dude is an expert troller.

This guys is not new to trolling because he knows and understand the secret of the 'trollers digest'. What we can rest assure is that this is not the first site he's does this on and it wont be the last - all you have to do is google him and you will see what I'm talking about. The difference with this site and his presence is that he gets shut down in the most simplistic ways. On this site the rhetoric he spews is at best laughable because he's in the face of scholars who know their stuff and not just brothas and sistas who come off the streets and accept anything that they hear. His pseudo religious ideologies which is not even 2000 years old on a planet that is over 4.5 billion years old with the human population dating back over 4.5 million years is a nefariously incorrigible scandal against humanity and the first true religions on this planet.

I've been advised not to speak with stupid people - is not the advice he should have been given, in fact he should have been told - "the intelligent people on Destee is your worst nightmare as a Muslim man - they will expose our pseudo religion - leave there as soon as possible".

Peace



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Whenever he find himself in a precarious situation he tends to say "I have been advised not to debate stupid people.". That's when we say, "who are you calling stupid"? He gives you a thank you as to say 'if you have to ask then your proving my point'.

These methods can be included in the trolling dictionary. He takes shots at you in a way that appears to be legal (thanks button after calling you stupid) to the forum and doesn't specify who he's actually calling stupid - which allows him to go around the rules - this dude is an expert troller.

This guys is not new to trolling because he knows and understand the secret of the 'trollers digest'. What we can rest assure is that this is not the first site he's does this on and it wont be the last - all you have to do is google him and you will see what I'm talking about. The difference with this site and his presence is that he gets shut down in the most simplistic ways. On this site the rhetoric he spews is at best laughable because he's in the face of scholars who know their stuff and not just brothas and sistas who come off the streets and accept anything that they hear. His pseudo religious ideologies which is not even 2000 years old on a planet that is over 4.5 billion years old with the human population dating back over 4.5 million years is a nefariously incorrigible scandal against humanity and the first true religions on this planet.

I've been advised not to speak with stupid people - is not the advice he should have been given, in fact he should have been told - "the intelligent people on Destee is your worst nightmare as a Muslim man - they will expose our pseudo religion - leave there as soon as possible".

Peace



Ru2religious
:SuN049:

Okay, now tell us how you really feel.
 

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Whenever he find himself in a precarious situation he tends to say "I have been advised not to debate stupid people.". That's when we say, "who are you calling stupid"? He gives you a thank you as to say 'if you have to ask then your proving my point'.

These methods can be included in the trolling dictionary. He takes shots at you in a way that appears to be legal (thanks button after calling you stupid) to the forum and doesn't specify who he's actually calling stupid - which allows him to go around the rules - this dude is an expert troller.

This guys is not new to trolling because he knows and understand the secret of the 'trollers digest'. What we can rest assure is that this is not the first site he's does this on and it wont be the last - all you have to do is google him and you will see what I'm talking about. The difference with this site and his presence is that he gets shut down in the most simplistic ways. On this site the rhetoric he spews is at best laughable because he's in the face of scholars who know their stuff and not just brothas and sistas who come off the streets and accept anything that they hear. His pseudo religious ideologies which is not even 2000 years old on a planet that is over 4.5 billion years old with the human population dating back over 4.5 million years is a nefariously incorrigible scandal against humanity and the first true religions on this planet.

I've been advised not to speak with stupid people - is not the advice he should have been given, in fact he should have been told - "the intelligent people on Destee is your worst nightmare as a Muslim man - they will expose our pseudo religion - leave there as soon as possible".

Peace



Ru2religious
Its much deeper than a nefariously incorrigible scandal against humanity because this person only represents the most conservative, anti-African element of Islam while fronting as Pan Africanism.

Lets see...how exactly do I prove this point? Easy....

Back to the concept of Islamic Shamanism...what some have describes as "Shia"..."Sufism" or more specifically "The Rose and the Crescent".

In order to obfuscate the roots of these other branches of Islam it was necessary to extract Africans from West Africa and the western coast and to disperse Africans into areas such as "Iran" which then brought Africans into contact with other Africans who were the descendants of Africans exiled from Kemet back in the days of Xerxes and the latter-day east African sex-slave trade.

What is the evidence of this from Andalusia to Morocco to "Iran" and "Iraq"?

http://rose-sufi-crescent.blogspot.com/2006/08/quran-surah-635-islamic-shamanism.html

http://www.nicholaswood.net/Articles/Shamans-of-Islam.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/gulf/gulf.html

The last link concerns the following:

The people of hava live in the region of Minab, the townships between the ports of Lingih and Bushihr as well as on the island of Bab Hurmuz. The curious thing about these people is that they worship the Winds (baad), but they have no knowledge either of the source of these Winds or of the reason for the centrality of the Winds in their belief system. In general, they attribute their belief in Winds to tradition. Only some of their leaders make vague references to an African origin for the mysterious Winds. This paper is concerned with this aspect of the lives of the ahl-i hava. The people of hava believe that the Winds arrive at the Gulf from their source in far-away lands and choose a "steed" (the patient is called a steed). An individual afflicted by a Wind will make certain "possessed" gestures and say certain things in languages known only to the babas (male shamans) or mamas (female shamans) of that particular Wind. These Winds, which usually afflict the destitute, demand blood sacrifice, special gifts, and special melodies on the drum. These last are performed in special assemblies of poetry recitation (bazi).6

In relation to this:

Association with the Indo-Iranian and Islamic cultures of Iran and with the Indian subcontinent through trade has greatly enriched the lives of the ahl-i hava. Consequently, as we shall see, elements of Shi'ism and Sufism have been added to the rituals, making them both colorful and mystical. Particularly the latter aspect has established some babas and mamas as mystical Islamic saints whose spirits guide the community.


Who are these "mystical Islamic saints" (babas and mamas)?

Just a brief mention of one:


The Amharic word Zar, referring to popular belief in a jinn-i Zar who becomes incarnate in certain human beings, was introduced from Ethiopia and the Sudan into Egypt first and into the Gulf region later. In Egypt,, a woman known as the Shaykha or 'Arif al-Sikka performs exorcistic ceremonies for example closely resembling those described above for the ahl-i hava.15

So this goes to the matter concerning the role of women in Islam, but not within the orthodox sunni tradition.
 

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Its much deeper than a nefariously incorrigible scandal against humanity because this person only represents the most conservative, anti-African element of Islam while fronting as Pan Africanism.

Lets see...how exactly do I prove this point? Easy....

Back to the concept of Islamic Shamanism...what some have describes as "Shia"..."Sufism" or more specifically "The Rose and the Crescent".

In order to obfuscate the roots of these other branches of Islam it was necessary to extract Africans from West Africa and the western coast and to disperse Africans into areas such as "Iran" which then brought Africans into contact with other Africans who were the descendants of Africans exiled from Kemet back in the days of Xerxes and the latter-day east African sex-slave trade.

What is the evidence of this from Andalusia to Morocco to "Iran" and "Iraq"?

http://rose-sufi-crescent.blogspot.com/2006/08/quran-surah-635-islamic-shamanism.html

http://www.nicholaswood.net/Articles/Shamans-of-Islam.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/gulf/gulf.html

The last link concerns the following:

The people of hava live in the region of Minab, the townships between the ports of Lingih and Bushihr as well as on the island of Bab Hurmuz. The curious thing about these people is that they worship the Winds (baad), but they have no knowledge either of the source of these Winds or of the reason for the centrality of the Winds in their belief system. In general, they attribute their belief in Winds to tradition. Only some of their leaders make vague references to an African origin for the mysterious Winds. This paper is concerned with this aspect of the lives of the ahl-i hava. The people of hava believe that the Winds arrive at the Gulf from their source in far-away lands and choose a "steed" (the patient is called a steed). An individual afflicted by a Wind will make certain "possessed" gestures and say certain things in languages known only to the babas (male shamans) or mamas (female shamans) of that particular Wind. These Winds, which usually afflict the destitute, demand blood sacrifice, special gifts, and special melodies on the drum. These last are performed in special assemblies of poetry recitation (bazi).6

In relation to this:

Association with the Indo-Iranian and Islamic cultures of Iran and with the Indian subcontinent through trade has greatly enriched the lives of the ahl-i hava. Consequently, as we shall see, elements of Shi'ism and Sufism have been added to the rituals, making them both colorful and mystical. Particularly the latter aspect has established some babas and mamas as mystical Islamic saints whose spirits guide the community.


Who are these "mystical Islamic saints" (babas and mamas)?

Just a brief mention of one:


The Amharic word Zar, referring to popular belief in a jinn-i Zar who becomes incarnate in certain human beings, was introduced from Ethiopia and the Sudan into Egypt first and into the Gulf region later. In Egypt,, a woman known as the Shaykha or 'Arif al-Sikka performs exorcistic ceremonies for example closely resembling those described above for the ahl-i hava.15

So this goes to the matter concerning the role of women in Islam, but not within the orthodox sunni tradition.
Wow that is the great information there - and what's funny he doesn't even have a knowledge of this.

great post!!!


Peace



Ru2religious
 

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Wow that is the great information there - and what's funny he doesn't even have a knowledge of this.

great post!!!


Peace



Ru2religious
Well my brother years ago I was doing some genealogical research into some "Spanish"?Moorish roots from a little Kingdom called Denia and realized that there were two lines of descent. One directly to Morocco and another to Mecca. As a result I started looking into all the writings of Noble Drew Ali who taught concerning the Moorish descent and after years realized that many west Africans who are described by some as "Hebrew Israelites" were actually sufi and shia "mystics" who lived among the christians and black hebrews in Spain (Al-Andulus).

If you look at that pdf I linked it talks about a group in Morocco who are called the Gnawa (something like that). They are musics who follow the tradition of the rose crescent. In fact i'm sure that this was the group from whom later the christian crusaders studied their mystic tradition (the rosy cross-or rosicrucians).

As you know, i have stated in the past a link between ethiopia and the West Africans and the reference to the ZAR actually proves that point.

However, what is this a reference to? Why do Muslims in the west face the east when praying?

What I am sure they dont know is that they are praying in the direction of the WINDS which brought US to these shores and for Africans who live in the Diaspora just imagine how much spiritual power potentially exists if we all prayed in the direction of the WINDS caused by the breath of our Ancestors (or the beat of their drums).

 

Omowale Jabali

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Well my brother years ago I was doing some genealogical research into some "Spanish"?Moorish roots from a little Kingdom called Denia and realized that there were two lines of descent. One directly to Morocco and another to Mecca. As a result I started looking into all the writings of Noble Drew Ali who taught concerning the Moorish descent and after years realized that many west Africans who are described by some as "Hebrew Israelites" were actually sufi and shia "mystics" who lived among the christians and black hebrews in Spain (Al-Andulus).

If you look at that pdf I linked it talks about a group in Morocco who are called the Gnawa (something like that). They are mystics (and musicians) who follow the tradition of the rose crescent. In fact i'm sure that this was the group from whom later the christian crusaders studied their mystic tradition )the rosy cross-or rosicrucians).

As you know, i have stated in the past a link between ethiopia and the West Africans and the reference to the ZAR actually proves that point.

However, what is this a reference to? Why do Muslims in the west face the east when praying?

What I am sure they dont know is that they are praying in the direction of the WINDS which brought US to these shores and for Africans who live in the Diaspora just imagine how much spiritual power potentially exists if we all prayed in the direction of the WINDS caused by the breath of our Ancestors (or the beat of their drums).



Check the Sisters on page 3.

http://www.penn.museum/documents/publications/expedition/PDFs/46-1/Moroccan Gnawa.pdf


 

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it like this post

b/c it plainly states that "older" parallels of ancient knowledge deem male dominated female hating organized religions non unique.

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