Black History Culture : George Jackson's quotation on MLK Jr. and Non-Violence

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  1. Asomfwaa

    Asomfwaa Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Martin Luther King … was opposed to violence and war; he was indeed a devout pacifist. It is very odd, almost unbelievable, that so violent and tumultuous a setting as this can still produce such men. He was out of place, out of season, too naive, too innocent, too cultured, too civil for these times. That is why his end was so predictable.​

    He attempted to direct the emotions and the movement in general along lines that he thought best suited to our unique situation: nonviolent civil disobedience, political and economic in character. I was beginning to warm somewhat to him because of his new ideas concerning U.S. foreign wars against colored peoples. I am certain that he was sincere in his stated purpose to “feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort those in prisons, and trying to love somebody." I really never disliked him as a man. As a man I accorded him the respect that his sincerity deserved.​

    It is just as a leader of black thought that I disagreed with him. The concept of nonviolence is a false idea. It presupposes the existence of compassion and a sense of justice on the part of one’s adversary. When this adversary has everything to lose and nothing to gain by exercising justice and compassion, his reaction can only be negative.​

    The symbol of the male here in North America has always been the gun, the knife, the club. Violence is extolled at every exchange: the TV, the motion pictures, the best-seller lists. The newspapers that sell best are those that carry the boldest, bloodiest headlines and most sports coverage. To die for king and country is to die a hero.​

    The Kings, Wilkinses, and Youngs exhort us in King’s words to “turn the other cheek to prove our capacity to endure, to love." Well, that is good for them perhaps but I most certainly need both sides of my head.​

    Taken from his book “Soledad Brother: The Prison Writings of George Jackson." (page 167-168)

    What do you all think? Well said? Something missing? Completely correct?
     
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    I couldn't care less what that criminal thought about Dr. King, even that he got the man all a@@-backward.

    Oh, and then he, too, got shot to pieces and died.
     
  3. Asomfwaa

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    Can you elaborate on your points?

    More, are you against 'criminal' thought or just George Jackson?
     
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    Some of all three(3) can be found Asomfwaa. But what's missing is George's acceptance to the reality of his words:



    The symbol of the male here in North America has always been the gun, the knife, the club. Violence is extolled at every exchange: the TV, the motion pictures, the best-seller lists. The newspapers that sell best are those that carry the boldest, bloodiest headlines and most sports coverage. To die for king and country is to die a hero.


    In reality, M. King could not have fought under the symbol of a white armed male and accomplished all that he did, the Black Panthers were armed. M. King died a hero.

    Bottom line, they(Occidentals) have more weaponry than we do, and all the ammunition, and laser technology.
     
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    Intriguing commentary:

    :thinking:

     
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    Some of us do recall the circustances which led to brother Jackson unjust stint behind bars etc.

    But how shall we respond (not just react) to other posters who didn[t grow up back then, and on the basis of what label him a 'criminal'?

    As for me, his BLOOD IN MY EYE reflected the man's intellect and/or a too brief growth into a potential revolutonary theorists, though neither he or King Junior are around, to aid our struggles, in the present...

    Otherwise different individuals seeking different means to advance their goals....

    FYI...
     
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    Mlk, according to belaphonte, stated that he had a feeling he was integrating his people into a burning house. Can we interpret that as king starting to come to a realization that this country will not change? That what he proposed in the way of nonviolent-resistance would yield little to no progress?

    Would the alternative be to go straight to the gun? No. Not at first.
    Then what? I say we should've fought for controlling the black dollar to a substantial degree. Keeping businesses in the community in spite of all the integration (real and or imagined).

    'What about north tulsa and the likes?' Build another.
    Burn that one down; build another.
    Burn that one down; build another.

    Something's gotta give.

    Someone has to be on the bottom. Wiping out all the black folks
    means there must be another group to replace them. As powerful as the ruling class is; they've expended a lot of time, resources, blood, sweat and where their interests are concerned -tears to put us in the situation we find ourselves today. The native americans in the situation they find themselves today. Who's gonna 'replace' us?: Spanish-speaking peoples? Koreans? Chinese? East indians? People from the balkins? People from the former soviet block? Will yt people fission back into their european subcategories?: irish, polish, jewish, italian etc? With the least of them being subjected to the bottom of the totem pole?

    I'm not apologizing for the enemy, however the enemy is mortal and shall 'fatigue' as well.
    The uncivll war is a great example. Do they want to go at it again in this day and age?

    I agree with the premise of jackson, yet I understand the nonviolence angle, only as one strategy, not the end all and be all. Get as much out of it as possible. When it is drained or past its usefulness, discard it and take to another approach.
     
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    I admit to not truly knowing/understanding/etc. your intent and purpose...

    Sometimes we also do need to reconsider who the message was/is intended for, or we risk talking over their heeds, if we don't...

    :10400:
     
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    :toast:
     
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    I think something that people rarely give credit for is that people like MLK understood the burden that violence could impose on the future of those whose lives they wanted to better. I think that's one of the reasons why non-violence can be pretty devastating, especially when it contrasts starkly against an opposition that won't hesitate to be brutal or use force.
     
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