Black People : Gbabgbo Arrested; Calls for peace/ But will the bloodshed end?

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    The first thing Gbabgbo did after being arrested was make a call for a stand down of his supporters and a plea for reconciliation and unity to move forward

    but will and has the bloodshed stopped from his people and will it end from Ouattaro's troops and armed suporters seeking revenge and punishment vendettas?
     
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    Outtara ain't sh*t. He hasn't taken office yet because he is probably busy getting busy with his ofay wife AND making some plans with Sarkozy.

    Once France is certain that the Pacte Colonial is still intact, he will take office, the bloodshed might stop and then in another 4 years or so another problem will come along. The South will start complaining that the Northerners are taking over, are getting all the jobs, have the most benefits etc. Then we might see a civil war.

    Biafra, anyone?

    I hate white people, almost as much as I hate my own people's ignorance and greed.

    One,

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  3. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I understand your point about the French butwhy do we have a desire to

    keep them happy?

    You mention North and South?

    and another 4 years,?

    why are folks not working towards ending that crap and unify as black people
    against the daggone overt methods of neoclonialism?
     
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    You know as well as I do that that is multi-faceted problem that is not easily summed up in a line or two. I believe later Elder Amos Wilson has tried in his Blueprint!

    As for Cote d'Ivoire, my Brother, they are facing the same onslaught that all our dead leaders faced (from the West that is), and they are facing it alone. Lumumba was alone, Sankara was alone, Mugabe was alone, Biko was alone etc.

    We have some termites in our wood, and they are our own people. Reminds me of J-Live, on 'Be No Slave' ("At least back then we knew who our people was"), give it a listen below. Ouattara and Gbagbo are in reality two Brothers that should have ben, like the rest of us, united for the same cause.

    But if it ain't lack of wisdom, intellect and knowledge, it's lack of backbone and courage. If it ain't that, then it's lack of know-how and supportive network.

    You and me too, as Brothers, know that even the smartest among us can easily get things twisted and screw it up for all of us. Right now, Ouattara looks too much like a House-Negro (been listening too much to Paris and T-Kash lol). Why else would he be sleeping with the enemy and put the civilians thru all of this, why else would he resist the notion of Ivoirite or the nationalization of the Ivorian cocoa industry?

    He is a trickster, plain and simple. And he has the (armed) backing of the UN and France. We, or Gbagbo was bound to lose. He didn't have any Afrikan country supporting him in the open with or without arms, no russians, no chinese.

    At this point, our people on the streets in Cote d'Ivoire, and myself included, just want it all to end so the kids can get food and the Elderly medical help and water. Let is whoever is president bring order and stability (however transient), so they may have a semblance of peace.

    Let's weep for our fam and move on, then form a drop squad and pass the free ammunition around.

    One,

    - Ikoro

     
  5. Ankhur

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    I love and respect you brother and , I understand that you have the wisdom to realize that my asking you to clarify a statmetn that you made is not an attack or an afront but a need for us here , the readers here to be clear about

    what is relay going on in Cote D Ivoire, lets deal with just that one area first, and as you state this is something much bigger then the tw men mentioned in the past election Gbabgbo and Ouattaro

    Now once agian you mention two specific things which we here in the US are not clear about.

    You mention ; North and South tensions

    what are they,

    and how can they be ammeliorated

    so that as you say stuff dont, get"whack" every four years?????????????
     
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    I came back here to get at you Brother, but I see you have been banned. Shame. I get worried when some of our most prominent members get banned, because I don't know where to find you later on :) Come on back when the 7 days are over, PLEASE.

    I don't live in Afrika, so I'm not better equipped to answering questions about Cote d'Ivoire than you are, although the people I reason with might be.

    From what I have gathered, CotD'iv is not exactly Tanzania (where the ethnic groups get along very well), but isn't a great schism like Sudan or Eritrea either. If I had to make an estimated guess, I'd put it between Tanzania ('perfect' inter-ethnic harmony) and Nigeria (multitudes of ethnic groups that co-mingle, but harbor resentment and sometimes fight over minor issues that are ancient or political in scope).

    In CotD'Iv, Muslims and Christians/North&South coexist and intermarry (more before), but politicians as of late have been messing with that peaceful coexistence thru politricks and for personal gain. If Outtara, along with the western powers manage to wholly infiltrate the minds of the people, the religious/ethnic differences will be blown out of proportion. For there is no history in CotD'iv that makes it so that the two (or more) groups must fight, no age old resentment (again, from what I know and hear). Minor issues sure, but not like Hutu and Tutsi stuff (historically they have been a bit opposed to each other, prior to whites arriving too).

    Furthermore, Afrikas streets, just like black streets everywhere (US, Jamaica, Haiti, European slums) are HOT. People are busy surviving (and oft-times shucking and jiving, getting down instead of getting UP). The european democratic model of running a society doesn't require each citizen to know his/her rights, or to be aware of what the law or the constitution says. That's how they make it look, to the citizens, like a battle about religion when it actually is about what the law (that the citizens voted for, in ignorance or I don't know)! This is why politicians will play us for fools, right. And we won't care until there is real and visible consequences that affect us personally. This is not a new problems for us as Afrikans in the colonized world, so I am sure you can understand that predicament.

    Brah, when you get back on here let's exchange contacts - I don't want to lose you because you go against the establishment again. I never wanted to travel to the US, too much wickedness for me. But I def have reasons (organizations and people to see, meet and build with), you are another reason now. I see you are an Elder who has really been active in the community, I love you for that. Being only 24 I am naturally attracted to your wisdom. If I ever make a trip, you can be sure I'll call you and find you :)

    Stay blessed.

    And HOLLA.

    One,

    - Ikoro
     
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    i am getting tired of africans inability to handle their business.....
     
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    You and me both, Elder James. But we keep trying don't we?

    One,

    - Ikoro
     
  9. La_Kréyol

    La_Kréyol Banned MEMBER

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    This is not simply a matter of Africans not being able to handle their "own affairs". This is about a policy that is still in place - of manipulation and exploitation. This is also about the plethora of traitors you have amongst us who can't see the bigger goal and only see their immediate greed.

    If we want change in Africa, we must FIGHT in the diaspora for policy change that ENDS the colonial regimes, ties to them, and we MUST fight for our freedom and sovereignty as Black people!
     
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    I'm also a bit curious about the constant calls for "an end to the bloodshed" whenever Africans rise up in revolution!

    Sometimes, bloodshed is NECESSARY. Nothing comes without a price and neither does freedom. Haiti's bloodshed - of the French and African traitors among them - led to the Haitian revolution. It would NEVER have occurred without bloodshed!

    People use our "fears" and our yearning for a "bit of peace" to scare us into docility, to force us to stop any revolution to avoid any bloodshed. But I would quickly give my life WITHOUT QUESTION if it meant my people would finally be free!

    I have no fear of bloodshed and this is what arabs have that we do not. They do not fear the risks, and they don't let the price scare them into docility. Where are our African concepts of fight?
     
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