A college friend of mine wrote an article venting about the new cali Law banning Gay marriage. I wrote a response and another young lady replied. I in turn replied and upon awaiting her response I figured this would be interesting to discuss here also. I am gonna post The note on here to set up a preliminary and we can go from there...... CALI PROP 8 BANNING GAY MARRIAGE Yesterday at 11:38pm Gays are blaming Blacks as the "culprits" of the passing of Prop 8... I am a young Black voter from San Diego. I am getting extremely annoyed with people in the media, be that celebs or anchors, equating the passing of Prop 8 with discrimination of Black people. No, actually, I am offended. I was born Black and it is something I cannot hide. I cannot keep my skin in a proverbial closet. And just because there are Black, Hispanic, Asian or whatever culture/race that are homosexual, it does not make me phathom or formulate my mind to equate the passing of Prop 8 with my ancestors and I finally getting the right to vote, etc. IT IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME.....STOP equating the struggle of Black people, a people who had no choice in the way they were born with a group of people that have chosen to live the way they are living. (yes, that means that I believe homosexuals have chosen to live this lifestyle and if thats what you want to do fine, great, lets eat cheese cake) Homosexuals have and always will claim that they live a lifestyle that does not adhere to societal norms and they claim to like it that way...yet they still want to get married...ooohhh, ohhhh, now they want to be "normal" huh...sit down, shut up, and have your unity ceremony like you guys always have and stop infringing on the rights hetero couples and families. If you want to be gay, fine, I love you and respect that decision, but its disrespectful to have my entire culture/race's struggle equated with this situation...most Black people are very traditional about marriage and very weary of homosexuality and do not see homosexuals having a struggle at all and most Black folk sure as hell don't see this in the same wave length as the civil rights movement--get the f outta here. Also, the reason some of us voted doesn't even necessarily mean its because of our religious beliefs...but yeah, the equation of gays not being able to marry each other and 400 hundered years of real denied rights against Black Americans by the American government in this country is ridiculous and offensive...I had to get that off my chest. I am so freakin annoyed. Again, I am not a "homophobe", I fear no man...except Hilary Clinton...I love everybody, including all sexuals...yes, sexuals.. but the media needs to stop blaming Black folks and gay celebrities need to get over themselves cause Melissa Etheridge and Ellen were the main one's spreadin that bull****...its bull****...all they have to do is appeal and we'll vote all over again...they were just shocked cuz Blacks voted for Barack...oh...that rhymed...lol..I'm engaged and pregnant and I do not want my child learnin about that bs when I don't want them to, I it want to be on my time and these schools have lost their damned minds teachin 7 year olds about Timmy and Tommy's great love----F&@#$$&$&$&K NO!!! I'm sorry, this is a rant and I just put Jesus aside for a moment forgive my language, my bad. and i lied...I aint engaged and I aint havin no baby...are u kidding me...it just made my rant sound a little more sane. (Chicago, IL) wrote at 12:39am Ummmmm, wow! But how canyou say **** and not say ****?! lol Excuse my language. Daniel Jones wrote at 8:21am Thats whats up G! This is why I miss the NP! We probably all would have been going off in burgh lobby if you brought this discussion up lol! Nawl, for real though...I have been feeling the same way ever since I first heard that argument about three years back! But when u have something thats not natural you have to deceive people into supporting because facts simply wont work. The civil rights struggle was won over time with fact not fiction...sorry but cakeism just cant say the same! A-Salaam a Laikum! LOL Chasity Lovelace wrote at 8:53am It's not necessary that gay and lesbian couples want to be "married" so much as have civil unions. How would you feel if the person you decided to spend the rest of your life with was in the hospital and you were denied the right to go back and see them because they can't show you as any relation? And not all gay and lesbians are excited about living a lifestyle against societal norms. In being queer, and as part of the larger queer community, I haven't run into anyone who was so jubilant about being different. It is a struggle, and I'm sorry for what you've heard in the media. But we all know the media has always had its own agenda and only speaks its biases anyway. The only correlation I see between the two movements is that we want to be recognized and given certain rights. It's ok that the gay and lesbian "lifestyle" is a choice, but most of the people in it do not see it that way. And even the term "lifestyle" regarding to this community is such a general term. Not all of us in this "lifestyle" are the same. But again, I'm sorry that whatever you heard in the media that offended you. But please be so respectful as to not generalize these statements to all people in the queer community. Some of us do want to get married. Some of us aren't ecstatic about being different, and some of us really just want our voices heard and to see some compassion, an act that isn't always shown to the queer community or to the black community. Sorry this is a long comment, and I know this note was probably just posted because you needed to rant, but I felt impelled to defend the other side. Please, I'm not looking for a debate, just an understanding. We just want a place in the broader community, because many times (especially if you aren't in a big city) these places are hard to find. Daniel Jones wrote at 9:19am @ Chasity, While your statement was well written I believe that the basis of your argument is more so an emotional appeal. However, Tramaines note is more about speaking out against a "factual lie"! I understand that its an oxymoron but it aids the mind in understanding the entirety of the issue. Like Tramaine stated, if thats your decision then leave at that but when the basis of your stance is contingent upon, what i call bandwagoneering, a previous movement in order to gain support then that is wrong. For example, we all are used to the slogans "yes we can" and "Change" due to the popularity of Obama's election.Those slogans have an undertone value of 450+ years attatched to them including struggles, beatings, rallies, riots, lectures, campaigns, movements, organizations, ballots, and so much more. If some guy shows up at a dog show claiming that for the past 5 years a yorkie has won because it was so cute but now he wants change to come to america and has the crowd chanting yes we can...it doesn't illegitimize his purpose but it is extremely disheartening and offensive for that guy to bandwagoneer off of a movement with an entirely different cause. What it boils down to is why not just be original? Why associate yourself with someone elses struggle when your mission and purpose and is completely different and the origin of circumstances are also. Creativity is what is lacking! If you wanna use historical instances to gain support then please let me direct you to Greek history but please do avoid using the struggles of Blacks to gain momentum for your cause...and I say this irrespective of my views on homosexuality! Peace!