Black People : Gay or Straight.. is marriage up to the church or state?

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  1. PoeticManifesta

    PoeticManifesta Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Virginia has just found itself in the middle of a long lived debate.. that just ended last night.
    Gay/lesbian marrige...
    Now maybe im more of a liberal..
    But I say that it should have nothing to do with the state..
    If a church wishes to marry a couple no matter if they are gay or lesbian...
    it is then up to the state to back up that agreement between married couples.
    We ask the state for permission to get married when we should be asking our priests/ministers.. perhaps this is why so many marriages get started on the wrong foot..
    the court dosent care how much you love one another.. or if you are aware of the extent of your agreement to wed....
    they just see it as 25$ per married couple..
    and a couple of thousand if they dont make it.. and divorce..
    think about it people.

    I feel that if a religion wishes to marry ANYONE,
    who is a devout follower of that religion.. and i do mean.. a devout follower..:bowdown:
    they are free to do so..
    it is the states role.. to make sure that these religions are only marry those which it deems... devout.. each religion establishing thier own criteria of which conditions they will marry...

    tell me what you think!
     
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    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I agree...

    It should have nothing to do with the state...
     
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    separate the state from marriage.
    i believe you should be able to marry who ever agrees to marry you.
     
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    Since some of us are really under the illusion of the "seperation of church and state" as being a reality that never was a reality, the dilemma exist in this post. However, on the same hand, "since there is NO RELIGION ANYWHERE THAT CONDONES HOMOSEXUALITY", how does an institution that calls itself a church condone marrying two people of the same sex? Is there some hypocrisy here that needs to be concidered by the people or are we being overly emotional and sensitive to our fleshly desires to the exclusion of morality? Which is it? Since the church is a so called Moral Institution the question becomes a State Issue. It only becomes a church issue if the church is not functioning on any so called MORAL PRECEPTS.
     
  5. PoeticManifesta

    PoeticManifesta Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    i did not said this had to be a christian religion in which a church would be the place of worship.. america has a view of religion which means christianity.. when certainly other places of worship exist beyond. Im not deeming this seperation of church and state.. just seperation of religion and state.. because the original church they meant when that came into play was the catholic curch..
    in god we trust.. no longer means to the father of jesus.. to many it means.. whatever god they trust.. to worship..

    you once again mention THE CHURCH...
    forget the christians..
    im referring to all churches..
    they have a voice too..

     
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    Legally, marriage is up to both church and state. No way around it:bullseye:
     
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    The institution of marriage as we know it today cannot be separate from church or state because it comprises of both. Marriage is defined by the law only because it gives certain rights...legally you are not bound to the life-long contract the church imposes on you.

    Let's be honest, there really is no separation of "church" and state in this government....look at the bill of rights...how do we have God-given rights in secular society? It doesn't add up.

    Also, this is not an issue black people should be concerned with imo, it's a distraction karl rove masterminded to keep us away from the real issues facing our communities
     
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    True indeed, to all points.

    PEACE
     
  9. PoeticManifesta

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    I know church and state arent seperate..
    but when this nation was started..
    it was started by a bunch of outcasts...
    of the religious world..
    the puritans..
    and then the english settlers..
    brought fourth thier catholic beliefs...
    there is no longer one church.. or two..
    I think the church should honor whatever the churches do..
    if a church wants to marry gay ppl..
    let them..
    and aknowledge it!
    dangit!
    Just think...
    if you are gay or lesbian..
    you and your life partner..
    you are not next of kin.. some states dont allow you to insure eachother..
    if one dies.. and there is no will.. even though both shared the property..
    it now goes to the family of the deseased.. (possibly)
    i just think that..
    its not up to the state to decide whos marriages are binding...
    if your not going to let them marry..
    then at least give them peace and the blessing of the common courtesy to identify them as partners in the eyes of the state.
    Gays and lesbians go through enough growing up.. knowing this deep dark secret.. that everyone thinks is wrong..
    I hope that by the time my little cousins (2 we definately know are going to be gay.. (12,13y/o) all this has been settled.
     
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