Black People : Gangs and GangBanging - How do we deal with this reality?

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  1. skuderjaymes

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    I'm sitting back waiting to see what answers you get. Why? Because I already know what we dealing with in terms of our people and the effects of white people on our everyday reality in the hood, in corporate America, in politics, in prison, in the suburbs, in the church, the mosque, in everything but OUR OWN ISH!!! I'm waiting...and I'll wait and I'll wait. Why? Because when the truth is really presented in terms of what must be done, nobody wants to hear that ish...and yet cry crocodile tears because our babies are dying!
     
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    Provide these Young Brothers Jobs / Employment / a way to care for themselves and their families.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    peace

    I/we don't wait, some of us get involved to try and bring them together to see that they are not so different beyond the color of rag hanging out of their back pocket.

    One of the groups i belong to actually brings the bloods & crips together to sit down with each other from time to time and it has helped cut down some of the violence. The NOI, a few original panthers, NBpp, hebrew israelites, Dr. York's people also attend to try and air out their differences in peace and try to talk to the gangbangers.

    Most of these brothers are highly intelligent, it's just that they feel they need to rep. their hood in that manner JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT AROUND THEM AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKED AT AS SOFT. In some neighborhoods in ny, you can't enter certain projects unless you agree to join a gang, or the gang members will make it a living hell until you do.

    When you actually sit down with them and talk to them to hear their story, then and only then will you be able to help them come up out of their mental condition of self destruction.

    "you can't fairly assess something from the outside looking in, a majority of the time you will be wrong"

    I remember years ago at the millions youth march in harlem a bunch of bloods showed up in full red uniform from top to bottom about in the middle of the march. They were standing on one side of the street just pacing back and forth as if they were about to set it off on the crowd. The police were there in droves, but looked to afraid to approch them, so I believe it was malik Zulu shabazz who sharply addressed them as he was speaking at the time and simply looked towars them as they were pacing and said: "not today young brothers". Not long after they just walked away and never came back. Instead another GANG (the original gang) showed up in blue and full riot gear when Bro. Khalid came to the stage to take the mic and started to slowly approach the stage (about 20 minutes premature to the march ending time) as he began to speak and the last words we heard bro. khalid say was "if they put their hands on you beat their @sses and send them to the hospital". And it was on......

    Believe it or not, but the 'gang' culture/structure, minus the senseless violence and killing is what i hear most people here say they are looking for. So it's actually something you/we can learn from and at the same time try and teach them where in there sub-concious they got it from and properly show them how to use it.

    The original 'gang' in LA i believe was the crips and they were formed for the same reasons the panthers were. It was to watch over and protect their neighborhoods from WHITE PEOPLE. This is why the hood began to get flooded with drugs and weapons to trick us into fighting each other instead of the one who is really causing the trouble.

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    afterthought:

    So really are they 'gangs', or misguided tribes begging taught how to put the weapons down and shown how to pick their spirits up.
     
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    Psycho-analyze away!
    *laugh*

    I didn't watch the video. Maybe...3 seconds of it. Skipping around at various points. Not sure that qualifies as 'watching'.
    I saw 'Crip Compton' in the title and that was enough.

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    How do we deal with this reality?
    'I' don't. I don't live in such an area.
    If 'you' do? Well, if you can't move? I'm sure that Destee.com's resident 'Prayer Warriors' are all over it, by now....
    *laugh*

    ...and you're probably not going to like what I have to say on the matter. No one will.
    **UNPOPULAR OPINION**

    I don't give a d*mn about gang-members.
    My friends and I were almost killed by gangmembers as teens and on MLK day, no less.
    Why? I was wearing 'blue' (my favorite)...and our car had blue on the windshield (our school colors).
    We were at a park trying to get in. Bumper-to-bumper.
    All of sudden - this freakin' lunatic just starts screaming. We were looking about us like, "Who is he screaming at?"
    US.
    Ranting and calling us 'crab b/tches' (whatever THAT is). No one actually said much to him besides, "Huh...? You're talking to us? ...uh, we're not in any gangs...."
    So, then he leaves. Few minutes later? Someone starts 'popping rounds'.
    This f'in' idiot... was shooting... at US! Thank god (or some other deity) that he was a poor shot. *laugh*

    Everyone -- and I do mean everyone - got the hell up out of there! People were running. Whipping those cars around....

    ...and it's funny. Until that day -- I didn't even know that the city had a 'gang problem'. *laugh*

    Anyway -- I never really thought much of gang-members before then. After that, I really didn't.
    This incident occured at a park. 'After-MLK march festivities'. There were teens, like us, there. There were families. Children.

    ...and I want you to know that every time we gather in my city to march in MLK's honor?
    The 'black trash' crawls out the ghetto in their 'colors' to wreak havoc, mayhem and chaos. Every year, there is a shooting. I see it on the news...and, if I'm working, attempting to stabilize/save the life of these 'members' and their victims when they hit the emergency dept.
    Drive-by's, beatings and everything else.

    So, when I say that I don't a d*mn about gang-members? You'll see that it comes from a real place.
    So...I don't care. I don't care what they did in the 60's and 70's, either.
    If they had purpose then.
    Well - it's not what they're all about, TODAY, in 2012. So, I see no sense in referring to the past. It doesn't apply.
    They sold their communities out for some green-backs. It's not even respectable.

    'Get them jobs' that'll solve the problem?
    Pfft.
    There ARE jobs...but they don't want those jobs. They never have. They don't want to go to school, either...or they'd be enrolled in someone's junior college, at least!
    They want that 'fast money'.

    Let's not even act 'brand new' about the situation.

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    No one wants to hold the self/destructive idiots within this community accountable for anything. There's always an excuse.
    That's why they're such f--k ups, to begin with: Their life circumstance is always the fault of 'everyone else'.
    Well - everyone's free to enable their bleeding little hearts out. You go right ahead and chase that 'white phantom'.
    Meanwhile, it's these black folks whom you defend...that terrorize and sell drugs and kill innocents and practically destroy their own communities from the inside out w/o the white man's help.
    These idiots don't value life. They sure as hell don't value the lives of 'their own'.
    ...may as well have been hatched from 'pods' or something.

    But I'm supposed to feel sorry for them, huh?
    I'm s'posed to call them... 'brother'...huh?
    *smirk*

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    >>Mimi opens the floor and waits for the screams of 'sellout' and 'undercover white person' to pass<<

    I'm well aware that what I'm saying doesn't seem 'black'...or like anything that a 'black' person would say....:rolleyes:

    ...but I am black.We're not a monolith (or are we? *laugh* I don't know, but I really wish that some black folks would make up their minds).
    What's more? Hell - plenty (black folks) would agree with me. PLENTY.
    I'm just in the wrong company. The wrong crowd.
    Believe me, I get that. *laugh*
    Doesn't mean that I'm going to pretend to see things differently.

    We're all just going to have to get used to different perspectives and life philosophies.
    It's 'either you do or you don't' in my world. 'Anything else is an excuse'. You suck it up and improve.
    That's how I am. That's how I was raised. *shrug*

    I have a hard time dealing with individuals who cannot understand life's cause/effect theme. The people who can't seem to 'get' how their choices affects everythings that happens to them.
    So...any thread discussing such dilemmas? Well - don't be surprised by my response. *laugh*

    I literally cannot wrap my head around it.
    Though I probably could draft a few reasonable solutions for these idiots?
    I'm always severely annoyed that I even have to. That's the truth, plain and simple.
    Also... irritated that, even when I try to help, none can hold the behavior of these people to scrutiny -- which helps me pinpont the real problem, because - hello, you can't create a solution if you can't figure out the freakin' problem <- Problem-Solving 101 -- without the 'Don't Judge Me' crowd spreading their large mothering wings over them.
    Protecting them from all inquiry.
    Don't say 'this' and you can't say 'that'.

    ...and it's like, "Y'know what? *bleep* off! 'Who are you to jud'-- please! I'm 2 of 3 people in this discussion who isn't walking about with their head up their a--s...and I'll ask what I please. I'm the one whose being practically begged for assistance...remember? I'll have you know that I can just as well take my so-called 'bougie wannabe white' a--s back home. If you think you can do a better job...why aren't you? Why's the idiot still making idiot choices?"

    I've had this conversation with a black man in my old local community. Not these exact words, but the gist is there. It began with everyone in high-spirits and ended with a pissing contest. This occured at a restaurant, mind you.
    We were going over some plans for the community center and he just got to talking about 'black issues'...then got all forceful and bullying when I told him what I thought about it.
    Intellectual elitists, smug a-holes and know-it-alls. They always know more than you.
    They're just so 'evolved'...<-- Y'know how they tend to be, OP -- unless, of course, you are one... *laugh*
    Then...I guess that you don't.
    *laugh*
    He still drove me home. Cut the radio down, assuming that I was going to 'talk about what just happened'.
    Nope. He could go to hell after that! I faced the window in icy silence.
    I ALWAYS butt heads with 'conscious' types. *laugh* The men, I should say.
    I have yet to meet one who didn't end up annoying the hell out of me before long. *laugh*

    Anyway - after that, I just sort of pulled away and did my own thing. It's better that way, I think.

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    For other people?
    I expect much of myself. So, I expect the same from everyone else. I'm really not big on 'spoonfeeding' ...and coddling? Well - I leave that to those who do it best.
    *laugh*
    I can't look at people like this and think, 'oh, poor them'.
    In some ways, I see no point in drafting solutions to 'fix' these people. They're broken, yes...but they actually chose (and continue to choose) to be that way....
    In some ways, I just don't want to. Plain and simple, truth.

    Why? I dunno. I guess -- I used to deal with people struggling for their lives every day... fighting off various illnesses... trying to beat various mental disorders to reclaim their lives... trying to beat their addictions and cease the self-medicating.... trying to survive, with tubes and IV's up the wazoo, the effects of life-threatening injuries.
    ...and still do a few hrs out of the week.

    *shrug*
    I will grip tightly and propel forward any who honestly wants to be helped. I've done it before. I will do it many times over before this life ends. I'm sure of it.
    I will never give 'pity', but I can sympathize. Empathize. I will offer understanding...and a helping hand, perhaps... to TRUE victims.

    ...not those who prefer to live in dysfunction. Not those whose main problem lies in their inability to get out of their own way. Not those who'd throw their lives away (while taking a few with them, for good measure) of their own volition.
    Until you move to change your condition? There's nothing to be done for you.

    That's right -- we're triagin', honey. *laugh*
    I will help those who fight for every inch of their existence.
    I don't waste energy with the rest. Leave 'em where they lay.... *shrug*
    Does it matter?
    They're already dead. I'm in the business of helping the living.
    *shrug*

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    Y'know --
    If we were talking about the mexican mafias butchering up innocents (americans and mescans) along the border...
    If we were talking about these crazy white biker gangs....
    If we were talking about these murderous italian mobsters....
    The opinions would be wayyyyy different.
    ...but no - we're talking about 'BLACK' criminals.

    Well - that changes everything! *laugh*
    Apparently, there's a difference and they're owed my sympathy. :rolleyes:
    There isn't and none is forthcoming. A criminal is a criminal...and some within this community test the very limits of these 'cultural ties', I'll tell you that!

    These males are no 'brothers' of mine, sorry.

    I don't have to 'walk a mile' in anyone shoes. Please.
    I SEE what these people do. I SEE how they carry on.
    I came 'thisclose' to being one of their victims.

    These males are not victims of anything but 'self-inflicted' wounds. Their issues are largely self-created.

    Save you sympathy for those who deserve it. The TRUE victims in this situation: Those who have no choice BUT to live in the zoo among these animals.
    My concern...is reserved for them, as well it should be.
    Not the degenerates who murder, beat, rape and terrorize them.

    ...and, as usual, folks are free to dis/agree. *laugh*
    It's fine. It's...whatever.
     
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    Kanye West said this in one of his songs:

    "Then i spent 400 bucks on this, just to be like Ni## you aint up on this."

    the Keita West version of that song would go like this:

    "I studied my whole life, just to be like nig## yall ain't got that right.
    cause yall so wrong, and I'm so right and steady;
    I'd tell you truth but YALL AINT READY!
    step in the booth and nig##s fall like confetti..
    aint not use; I got more wisdom in my back tooth..
    then ya got in ya whole li-brary..
    I better stop before I get too scary..
    Keita Keita.. that's my name..
    Keita Keita.. Top of my game..
    holding this truth like it's a 3-5-7
    to ya dome, you betta leave me alone..
    keita keita.. that's my name..
    keita keita.. top of my game.
    If you can't see that you blind as a christian,
    I'd tell you the truth, but YALL AINT LISTENING.. ha...

    seriously though..

    At some point Mr. Keita.. you're going to have to show your hand.. cause it's really starting to look like you're bluffing.

    the question is "How do we deal with this reality?".. and it's a real question.. and an opportunity to put all of these theoretical discussions of history and sprituality and culture into practice. What do we do about the gang culture? Gang culture is the society that has developed atop this drug game.. it reaches from the streets to the highest levels of government.. How do we counter that? Their was one dude in the video that said something to the effect, "all my people went college.. I said "f" that and came to the streets".. meaning he chose this life.. he likes living the way he's living.. and he has the guns and the money and army to protect it. What do we do about that? Do we need guns too?.. do we wipe that culture out.. us against us.. ? or do we redefine "us".. and cut them out..? or what? if We are we.. then what do we do about them.. who are us too.. ?
     
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    The same problem here in the UK........not quite on the same scale as America but the same.
     
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    Addressing gangster culture is very, very simple. Though, a big problem is that we seem to conceive that 'gangster culture' is an isolated problem.

    "Gangster culture" is a problem to do with the psychological mis-information of African people. That is--African 'gangsters' do not understand who they are. Though, in truth, very few Africans in America understand what it means to be African. So, while the gangster "problem" is psychological, very few of us are 'psychologically straight on what it means to be African.'

    We can pick this up in the constant insult on African forums concerning the Europeanness of the opposing party. Or for instance, in MimiBelle's interesting monologue:

    MimiBelle isn't murdering anyone; which is great. But we can observe from her monologue that she's also confused over what "Blackness" entails. So while she's preferred compared against 'gangbangers,' it's evident that the problems of gangsterism are the problems of all of our people.

    As it were, we still, for instance, don't have an indigenous definition of what it means to be African people. Though, very ironically, we all aspire to be more African than the next person. This is where what happens, happens.

    Truly, our problem relates to our not understanding "Psychology" and fully mastering it. I spoke to a young man and explained to him that we don't even know what "Black culture" is. He objected on the grounds that rap is "Black." But when you see the "White" producers, you notice that it's not. So though rap propagates a culture, it propagates a White culture. Needless to say though the gangbangers emulate this White culture--UNDER THE PRETEXT that it's Black. So clearly the issue is psychological and linked with our deficit of propagating truly "Black culture." Though WHO KNOWS BLACK CULTURE? Few of us do. Few of our scholars did.

    So duh we are all confused. We're all confused!

    As to how to deal with a psychological problem? Psychologically. Define Blackness for these youth.
     
  9. skuderjaymes

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    The question is very clear and direct. How do we deal with this reality? It's a question asked of you. As the thread creator, I would appreciate it if you propose your own solution... if you have one..
     
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    "Judge not lest you be judged."

    For really, the question isn't very clear or direct: "Gangs and GangBanging - How do we deal with this reality?" is not a clear question. Especially not now as you ask for a 'solution.'

    Who is "We?"

    What reality are "we" being told to deal with?

    What part of 'gangs and gangbanging' need to be dealt with?

    What are we being asked to 'solve?'

    And so on and so forth.

    Are you asking "How do we?" like how do you and I deal with gangs and gang banging?

    Obviously "We" as in "You and I together" don't.

    This isn't a clear and direct question. I can indirectly pick up that you're asking what's a general solution for African people to emulate to reduce gang activity amongst our people.

    But you asked "How do we deal with this reality?" Obviously, everyone deals with reality. And more obviously everyone, if you're asking "How do we" instead of "How should we" just moves out of the gang infested neighborhood--or joins a gang--or gets killed . . ..

    But of course I ignored your indirectness and lack of clarity and answered your question by pointing out that the 'solution' is still a general solution because all of us are psychologically out of whack. Obviously, this means to deploy a psychological correction onto our people. And I said it in one sentence: Define Blackness (for these youth.)

    If you don't like that solution that's your personal problem, no?

    But really I gave more than enough information out. Some may think too much information. You'd rarely read something so succinct yet intelligent.
     
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