Black People : Gaddafi & 'His Own People'

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  1. eword

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    Following the brutal lynching of Gaddafi by Libyan rebels, some in the corporate media and political establishment have claimed, that this proves that Gaddafi was a bad leader, hated by 'his own people'.
    But this bold-faced claim ignores reality and is childish. No leader, anywhere no matter how good he or she may be is loved or supported by everyone. In every country, there are people or groups of people, who for their own reasons and if the right conditions existed, would not hesitate to take the life of the leaders of their own country and many other people. Why do some senior political or corporate leaders have security details, if all 'their own people' love or support them?
    Let us imagine our own country. What if a foreign airforce had bombed our military and their equipment for months, destroying most of it and their equipment and there was chaos in the country. And our leaders lost their security details and had to protect themselves, and their was no police to call or protect anyone. How many American leaders, past and present, could survive for 24 hours on American streets, among fellow Americans or 'their own people'?
    Nato bombed Libya for about seven months destroying it's defence and security capabilities, paving the way for Libyan rebels or 'his own people', who couldn't fight and win by themselves, to capture and excute Gaddafi. The term 'his own people' can mean whatever you want it to mean. Any number of people, small or large can constitute 'his own people'. 'His own people' doesn't mean everyone! How many people does it take to kill one man or woman? How many of 'his own people' actually took part in the killing of Gaddafi? Did all Libyans or all 'his own people' participate in his death?
    Gaddafi resisted American and Nato agression for seven months. Who was fighting for him or with him? Didn't many of Gaddafi's 'own people' fight and die for him? Why would some of 'his own people fight and die for him, for that long, if all 'his own people' hated him? If the Libyan rebels, had popular support, they could have brought down the government by themselves. Many rebel groups have come to power by themselves, because the people were with them.
    Anyone can be killed by 'their own people'. Infact, most people are killed by 'their own people'. There is nothing new or unusual about it.
    In the past, some American leaders have been victims of assasinations or attempted assasinations by 'their own people'. Does this really mean that all 'their own people' hated them?
     
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    What A TRULY SUPERB post, were the Kennedy brothers hated by ALL USA citizens or just the POWER ELITE they were [executed by] disagreeing method/strategy with!

    Would YOU or anyone you KNOW FIGHT FOR Obama, Clinton, Sarkhozy, Cameron or Berlusconi [under ANY circumstances at all] for 7 minutes as opposed to 7 months with no air support or military advantage at all?

    Isn't the crux of the GRIEF in Africa the fact that all peoples of African ethnicity are front line soldiers in the most despicably cowardly WAR in human History [as underlined by the mayhem in Libya TODAY after the West/NATO/UN set up the murder of Gaddafi and his regime] which was [never ever declared was it, YOU JUST DO IT] started by the Semites/Arabs over 4000 years ago which has subsequently degenerated into the ongoing European onslaught on non whites in general, the peoples of African ethnicity specifically as highlighted by the African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years now?

    How comes the openly racist Rhodesian governement and the Afrikaner regime in South Africa NEVER EVER came under USA bombardment; with even the UK's allegedly socialist Prime Minister {Harold Wilson] responding when challenged with regard to not using military force to CRUSH Ian Smith's Unilateral Declaration of Indepence/TREASON in Rhodesia; with "I'm not sending our Armed Forces to fight their kith and kin"?

    No regime changing military expedition was necessary to get rid of these White Supremacist Racist Governments as THEY were only suppressing, repressing and MURDERING AFRICANS which was and still is OK, isn't it [with Gaddafi's Libya the only country's funding the African anti-imperialist struggle, which they have now gained revenge for, haven’t they]?

    Isn''t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    Great insight , Orisons! Indeed, how many American or European leaders are really loved by their own people, to the point, that the people will fight and die for them, without air cover or sea support? How many Americans or Europeans would really be willing to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other places without air or sea support?
    Gaddafi's army fought bravely for months without air or sea support!
     
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    Like Rwanda, there is alot about this that we will never know, and that will never be revealed in our lifetime (and what hurts is that the AU is not unifed enough to demand or engage in their own investigation)

    Back in the days, folks would say why there would never be a rebellion in this African nation where every family is provided with a house, car, a automatic weapon, free dental and medical, free education as well as college, gas that costs a few cents a gallon, and a lower poverty rate then the Netherlands;

    so it was not just Gaddafi's army since the entire population was armed, so what happened to those millions of people (and what is happening to them now?) Something almost Sci Fi Bizzare happened in this place and the rest of the 50 plus African heads of state seem to be too scared to say anything about it in public to let us know.

    We watched the Godfather Trilogy, The Valachi Papers, Goodfellas, Scarface, Carlito's Way,
    Donnie Brasco, and the Sopranos,

    but like Don Corleone said in Godfather III when he confronted the Italian-German Bilderbergers;
    "These are the Real Mafia"

    The World Bank, and IMF as John Perkins
    has told us over and over


    as well as John Stockwell,


    are an organized crime syndicate,

    that use the ruthless tactics we have seen in all of those gangsta fliks, to terrorize, intimidate, and scare nations into accepting and paying extortion; with their money naturla resources, their lives or the lives and bodies (and body parts) of their citizenry if need be!

    According to journalist and author Jim Marrs; the SPECTER organization written of by Ian Fleming,
    in his 007 novels made into movies, was very very real!
     
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    Great insight , Orisons! Thank you!

    Indeed, how many American or European leaders are really loved by their own people, to the point, that the people will fight and die for them, without air cover or sea support? EXACTLY!

    The Iraqi army worked out that their best chance was somewhere between slim and never [with Saddam actually sending his jets to Iran rather than have them destroyed] as the West aspired to test their latest KILLING MACHINES and techniques on them and simply melted away, which is what I expected the Libyans to do in days, weren#t you surprised that they even tried to fight?

    How many Americans or Europeans would really be willing to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other places without air or sea support? The Vietnamese are the only people who have ever beaten such superior force but the cost was horrendous [but the people of that region are like that, which is why the Thai empire allowed the French to take over the most problematic areas of their territory, which also explains why China hasn't annexed Vietnam like they did Tibet] to both sides wasn’t it, and they would have been CRUSHED WITHOUT Chinese support wheas Gaddafi/Libya didn’t have anyone?

    Gaddafi's army fought bravely for months without air or sea support!They died by the thousand for this man and their country against insurmountable odds, especially when you consider their Security chief bailed out leaving them leaderless as Gaddafi had absolutely no idea of modern military strategy, apparently they haven’t all given up; can you believe such heroism?

    Isn''t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    We watched the Godfather Trilogy, The Valachi Papers, Goodfellas, Scarface, Carlito's Way,
    Donnie Brasco, and the Sopranos, but like Don Corleone said in Godfather III when he confronted the Italian-German Bilderbergers; "These are the Real Mafia"

    The World Bank, and IMF as John Perkins has told us over and over are an organized crime syndicate, that use the ruthless tactics we have seen in all of those gangsta fliks, to terrorize, intimidate, and scare nations into accepting and paying extortion; with their money naturla resources, their lives or the lives and bodies (and body parts) of their citizenry if need be!

    According to journalist and author Jim Marrs; the SPECTER organization written of by Ian Fleming, in his 007 novels made into movies, was very very real! EXACTLY, THESE LUCIFERIAN lunatics are easily the most debilitating CANCER/PLAGUE to EVER afflict the human family, whose actions highlight the fact that they view all of the human family as expendable pawns to be manipulated and culled as they see fit, whereas Saddam in Iraq, Gaddafi in Libya, Amadinejhad in Iran, Chavez in Venezuela and the Castro regime in Cuba are CRIMINALS aren’t they, for rationally focusing on their people’s best interests as opposed to being dictated to by the West?
    Why the West wanted [and got] Gaddafi and his regime out
    Wednesday, 24 August 2011 02:00
    Jean-Paul Pougala

    It was Gaddafi's Libya that offered all of Africa its first revolution in modern times - connecting the entire continent by telephone, television, radio broadcasting and several other technological applications such as telemedicine and long distance teaching.

    And thanks to the WMAX radio bridge, a low cost connection was made available across the continent, including in rural areas.

    It began in 1992, when 45 African nations established RASCOM (Regional African Satellite Communication Organisation) so that Africa would have its own satellite and slash communication costs in the continent.

    This was a time when phone calls to and from Africa were the most expensive in the world because of the annual US$500 million fee pocketed by Europe/the West for the use of its satellites like Intelsat for phone conversations, including those within the same country.

    As an African satellite would only cost a one-time payment of US$400 million after which the continent would no longer have to pay a US$500 million annual lease, which banker in general, Western bankster specifically would finance such a project?

    But the problem remains - how can slaves, seeking to free themselves from their former slave/colonial master's exploitation ask their ex-master's help to achieve that freedom and subsequently be surprised at being tricked/tripped up and CRUSHED instead?

    Not surprisingly, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the USA , Europe only made vague promises for 14 years. Gaddafi put an end to these futile pleas to the western "benefactors" with their exorbitant interest rates.

    The Libyan leader put US$300 million on the table; the African Development Bank added US$50 million more and the West African Development Bank a further US$27 million - and that's how Africa got its first communications satellite on 26 December 2007.

    China and Russia followed suit and shared their technology and helped launch satellites for South Africa , Nigeria , Angola , Algeria and a second African satellite was launched in July 2010. The first totally indigenously designed and manufactured on African soil satellite is currently being produced in Algeria and should be ready for launch in 2020 .

    This satellite is aimed at competing with the best in the world, but at ten times less the cost, a real challenge. This is how a truly magnanimous symbolic charitable gesture gift of a truly huge US$300 million to enhance the lives of ALL AFRICANS from Gaddafi controlled Libya changed the life of an entire continent.

    Gaddafi's Libya cost the West, not just depriving it of US$ 500 million per year but the billions of dollars in debt and interest that the initial loan would generate for years to come in an exponential manner, thereby helping maintain a system that continues to nurture dependency as opposed to independence so as to continue to plunder the continent.

    The US$30 billion frozen by Mr Obama belongs to the African Monetary Fund/ Libyan Central Bank and had been earmarked as the Libyan contribution to three key projects which would add the finishing touches to the African Federation.

    The projects were the African Investment Bank in Sirte, Libya; [which explains why NATO so enthusiastically pounded that town into rubble] the establishment in 2011 of the African Monetary Fund to be based in Yaoundé, Cameroon with a US$42 billion capital fund; and finally the Abuja-based African Central Bank in Nigeria, which if it ever starts printing African money will ring the death knell for the CFA franc through which Paris has been able to maintain its so manipulative socio-economic hold on some African countries for the last 50 years.

    It is easy to understand the French wrath against Gaddafi.

    The African Monetary Fund was expected to totally supplant the African activities of the International Monetary Fund which, with only US$25 billion, was able to bring an entire continent to its knees and make it swallow questionable privatisations that are forcing African countries to move from public to private monopolies.

    No surprise then that on December 16-17, 2010 the Africans unanimously rejected attempts by Western countries to join the African Monetary Fund, saying it was open only to African nations.

    It is increasingly obvious that after Libya , the Western coalition will go after Iran because they opened their own oil trading market in Tehran in 2008 [as they felt that their best interests were not being served by the existing markets in London and NYC] which is currently selling their own considerable oil output, and Algeria , because apart from its huge energy resources, the country has cash reserves of around a US$150 billion.

    This is what lures the countries that are bombing Libya and they all have one thing in common - they are practically bankrupt. The USA alone has a staggering debt of US$14 trillion; France , Great Britain and Italy each have a US$2 trillion public deficit compared to less than US$400 billion in public debt for 46 African countries combined.

    Inciting spurious wars in Africa in the hope that this will revitalise their economies, which are sinking ever more into the doldrums will ultimately hasten the Western decline that could be viewed as divine retribution for the malicious carve up in 1884 during the notorious Berlin Conference; which divided the continent into the unreal nations [there are 200 different languages in Nigeria in comparison to 4 in the UK] still causing GRIEF TODAY.

    http://www.herald.co.zw/index.php?o...wants-gaddafi-out&catid=39:eek:pinion&Itemid=132
     
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    you getting emotional about this ish?

    Well Bless the Ancestors cause, I see I have good company!!!

    I am still,........ really no BS, in a state of shock

    , after seeing that man's dead body in the newspapers,
    and I get violenty sick, like a need to upchuck!!! thinking about 40 Black African nation heads of state and staff,
    sitting around trembling; worrying about "am I next?" instead of Uniting

    and Occupying Africa; in the spirit of Julius Nyere, and Kwame Nkhrumah and unilateraly nationalize their resources in inidignation of this atrocity, and tell the World Bank, the IMF, and the Trilaeral Commission to go back to Hell


    I think I need to take a trip across the "pond"
    UK sounds like a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to;

    just visit without going to the Black areas and learn something,
    because I see,
    your side of our African family has a lot to teach and share

    Asante' Sana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Ankhur wrote : You getting emotional about this ish? Not at all, how would emotive responses help?
    Well Bless the Ancestors cause, I see I have good company!!!

    I am still,........ really no BS, in a state of shock, after seeing that man's dead body in the newspapers, and I get violenty sick, like a need to upchuck!!! Gaddafi is at peace and can honestly say to the Creator and the ancestors that he literally committed 200% effort into trying to stop these LUCIFERIAN LUNATICS turning this planet into a very real HELL, whereas how many of US can say the same?

    Thinking about 40 Black African nation heads of state and staff, sitting around trembling; worrying about "am I next?" instead of Uniting and Occupying Africa; in the spirit of Julius Nyere, and Kwame Nkhrumah and unilateraly nationalize their resources in inidignation of this atrocity, and tell the World Bank, the IMF, and the Trilaeral Commission to go back to HellWhereever they are is HELL, hence their focus on dragging the rest of us down with them; would YOU be comfortable KNOWING that you are BEYOND REDEMPTION?

    I think I need to take a trip across the "pond" UK sounds like a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to; just visit without going to the Black areas and learn something, because I see, your side of our African family has a lot to teach and shareThough my personal Renaissance was started by Teresa Hayter’s book “The Creation of World Poverty”, most of my information and guidance has come from USA based authors like the truly superlative works of Neely Fuller, Asa Hilliard III, Che Ante Diop, Dr henrik Clark, Dr Ivan van Sertima and the still alive Dr Frances Cress-Welsing, Anthony T Browder and the so comprehensively thorough brilliance of Yurugu – An African centred critique of European cultural thought and behaviour by Dr Marimba Ani?

    However the UK is still worth a visit, though you might be surprised to run into the Nation of Islam [I have good contacts, but I’ve never been a member and I’m not thinking about joining] and the 100 Black Men org. trying to move things forward here too, but most of our people are just as lost, totally baffled and confused as yours are in North America.

    Asante' Sana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!To YOU too, brother.

    Isn''t anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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    The Semites in general, the Arabs in particular have been waging WAR on the peoples of African ethnicity for over 4000 years and yes we're still losing that WAR aren't WE [as underlined by the ongoing GRIEF in Darfur]; the Libyan Arabs determined to oust Gaddafi and his regime feel betrayed by his ongoing commitment to helping African peoples in stark contrast to the Arab track record of betrayal, covert and overt warfare; which is why they have already KILLED over 800 Africans especially as many of the Africans are the core of his bodyguards [maybe he doesn’t trust Arabs either, I don’t]?

    In fact despite all the RHETORIC being spouted about "Democracy/Freedom and the suffering of Libyan people, don't WE KNOW the USA and the rest of the West's Foreign Policy towards non-whites in general, the peoples of African ethnicity in particular from their so consistently maliciously EVIL behaviour domestically, as underlined by the Institutional Racism that is STILL rife /standard towards US in the UK the rest of Europe, the USA and the rest of the African Diaspora despite Obama being President/puppet/NEO-CON NUTCASES superbly eloquent BLACK as opposed to consciously African Mouthpiece?

    Isn't this ongoing FIASCO in Libya today really to kill GADDAFI and his golden dinar in one, very similar to the way Saddam, his son and the whole regime were wiped out in Iraq for accepting Euros, gold anything of value as opposed to just dollars for Iraq'a Oil smashing the monetary structures/manacles the West use as standard to fiscally enslave humanity?

    Wouldn't BIG OIL very obviously LOVE getting control of Libya's Oil and Gas reserves too like they have control of Iraq's Oil now [can ANYONE actually tell me who they have been paying for the oil that has been pouring out of Iraq since 2002], as the regime change executed the deals Saddam had made for Iraq's vast reserves to be developed with the help of French and German companies as opposed to the USA's current share out to their own Oil giants?

    Who has benefited from the ongoing carnage in Afghanistan & Iraq with the death toll of non-whites surging past a million, apart from BIG OIL as opposed to the indigenous peoples, in fact how do these politicians SLEEP at night knowing that their GREED has literally cost thousands of peoples their lives, including their truly loyal but expendable pawns in the Military?

    The WRONGS of the past being ignored/glossed over have created the present, haven't they, whereby Europeans STILL allegedly legally own all the assets THEY looted from Africa from colonial times right through to TODAY, as underlined by the ongoing theft of £150 billion of Libya's assets in the West along with seizing the 140 tons of Gold Gaddafi planned to utilize to set up the golden dinar currency of his African Bank, being facilitated by the execution/removal of Gaddafi and his clan and administration from THEIR country ASAP?

    What are the thousands of people in the West's Armed forces who are killed and maimed in these so passé Neo-Colonial military expeditions/commercial ventures supposed to be gaining from this MADNESS in Afghanistan, Iraq and now Libya with probably Iran as opposed to Syria to follow is not apparent to me or many of them, I'm sure; but then again hasn't it always been standard to utilise the lower echelons as expendable cannon fodder, but why should WE continue to go with that flow?

    Isn't anyone who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
     
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