Black People : Forgiveness...What

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The revenge against sin belongs to the administration of God and not to the soul since God says “Revenge is Mine”.



One shall not criticize the injustice here due to lack of omniscience.





[You shall not argue that if the omnipotent God is supporting justice, in this creation why so much injustice exists? The reason is that you are not omniscient to observe all the background of each soul to decide which is justice and which is injustice. With very limited observation of any soul, you can’t decide that this soul is good subjected to punishment and this soul is bad blessed by good fruits. When you observe a criminal being hanged to death, you sympathize him since you have not witnessed his previous crime. A good person might have been punished by a bad person for the crime done by the former to the latter previously in this birth or in the past birth. After this incident, a good person receives good fruits and bad person receives bad fruits in course of time for their respective deeds. If the good person revenges against the bad person, everlasting chain results.



If one leaves revenge to God, the effected person will be highly compensated by God for his patience. If the sinner in previous birth is punished now, there is no place of revenge since the story ended there. You should not think that in this case God keeps silent in punishing the sin. Otherwise, if the sin is fresh and if the effected party keeps patient without revenge, the effected party is enormously compensated by God and the sinner is also enormously punished. Of course, God gives long time for the sinner to reform himself/herself and this delay is not to be misunderstood as defect of God. If the sinner is reformed, God will not punish him and the effected party shall not feel that injustice is done to it. If the sinner is punished, in what way the effected party is compensated? To feel that the punishment of enemy alone is the compensation of the effected party, it shows only foolishness. Hence, the administration of God is always perfect supporting justice, destroying injustice by punishment if the criminal is not reformed and compensating profusely the non-revenging effected party.



Draupadi was revengeful to punish Kauravas. Anyway, God Krishna is going to punish bad Kauravas for their fresh sin done towards good Draupadi. For the unnecessary revenge of Draupadi, God punished her by getting all her sons killed. The understanding of the background of justice, injustice, profuse compensation for revengeless party and punishment for revengeful attitude will make you not to unnecessarily scold the world created by God. The revenge against sin belongs to the administration of God and not to the soul since God says “Revenge is Mine”. Patience of the effected party shall not be treated as inefficiency, which is going to give million times more punishment to the sinner, if the sinner is not reformed. This must be noted well by all sinners harming good people. If the administration is wrongly criticized, administrator is hurt. If the book is falsely criticized, the author is hurt. You must realize your limitation of knowledge before criticizing the creation of God.]



Generally, people think that helping others is good and harming others is bad. The authority for this concept is “Paropakaarahpunyaaya, paapaayaparapidanam”. Here, the word ‘para’ means others as well as good people. We shall take the second meaning only here. Hence, it means that helping good people is for good fruit and harming good people is for bad fruit. Jesus did not harm the people, who harmed Him and by this, you shall not take the concept as that one should not harm others including bad people. The context of Jesus was totally different. By such patient nature exhibited, He wanted that the cruel hearts of sinners shall melt and get reformed. If bad people are not punished, fear will not be there, which, at least, gives temporary reformation! When you are harming somebody, you can’t be the judge being the party. A neutral person, who is scholar of ethical scriptures, shall be the judge (alukshaahdharmakaamaah - Veda).



By revenge, your loss is not compensated at all. If you leave revenge to God, He will certainly compensate your loss. God looks to be silent against whom you want to revenge. For His silence, the reason is:- You might have harmed him previously or in the previous birth and your damage by him will end the story of action and reaction or God may be giving some time to him to transform before punishing him. You should not worry that he might escape punishment through becoming reformed. What is the loss for you if he is not punished since God already compensated your loss for your patience! If you have revengeful attitude to him, you are separately punished for your revenge. Draupadi and Subhadra were having revengeful attitude towards Kauravas, for which, both were punished by the loss of their children. Uttara left the revenge to God and hence, her issue (Parikshit) was protected and was made as the King.



Without understanding the background of the doctrine of deeds, don’t criticize God with impatience and earn a fresh sin that gives an additional punishment. Always think that God is omniscient and omnipotent and hence, His administration will never have even a hair split flaw.





If injustice wins it is a blame to the administration of God


People do not have patience in this world to get justice. If injustice wins it is a blame to the administration of God only and therefore one need not worry about this. God will take care of the justice and he is capable of protecting the justice even in the last fraction of second by turning the tables round. For us even to turn a physical table hours are consumed. But you should remember that the justice is decided by God who is aware of all the births of the soul (Bahuni me…Gita) and all the previous deeds. He is aware of the internal bad soul, which may be hidden, in a human body with innocent external nature. Abhimanyu was a very innocent boy but he was a cruel demon hidden in the body. Krishna knows it and so got him killed.



You will blame Krishna for the injustice in getting Abhimanu killed in the war. Therefore, you cannot be the judge to give the judgment with limited knowledge of the present birth and with the ignorance of internal structure of the soul.





Never aspire for revenge of sin done to you by others




[You shall never aspire for the revenge of sin done to you by others because such revenge will not compensate your loss. If you leave revenge to God and be patient, your loss will be terribly compensated by God as a gift for your patience. He may not punish your enemy, if it is the case of retort from your enemy for your previous sin done to him. Even if your enemy is sinful, God may give some time for reformation of the soul. In any case, your patience will pay you the best always.



If you have the attitude of revenge, you will be punished for it separately like Draupadi, who lost her sons for her revengeful attitude in provoking her husbands for war. However, if you are participating in a dispute without being connected to any party, you will do the justice by fight since you are not selfish. Even then, since you are not aware of the background, you must take the advice of a divine personality. But, if you are the party, you shall not be the judge to decide the action since you are sure to be affected by prejudice.]





Injustice winning in this world? Never!


Shri Partha Sarathi (USA) asked Swami about his financial loss continuously due to the victory of injustice in this world.



Swami replied: The injustice will never win because if it happens so in this divine rule of God, it is only blame to His administration. With the limited knowledge of this birth, you cannot decide the justice. In view of all the previous births and the deeds in the previous births, God gives judgment, which is perfectly justified in the wide range of all the previous births. If you criticize God, God will leave you with the due justice as per the cycle of deeds. If you are a devotee of God, God will compensate your financial loss through some other way at a later date.



If you are wasting the present time in worry, the compensation of finance may be done but you cannot have the compensation of the lost past time. Hence, you should take the help of the spiritual knowledge and try to be happy even in the misery so that you will not loose both time as well as money. If you are worried, you cannot concentrate on God and your devotion also becomes week and your financial compensation in the future also gets correspondingly reduced. Therefore, you must be brave in the troubles without any worry and maintain the concentrated devotion to God.







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*HISTORY or His-story explains who dropped Nuclear-powered bombs, weapons of mass destruction incinerating hundreds of thousands of non-white Japanese in an instant as opposed to white Germans, that is still polluting earth and mother nature today. Think about that.

*HISTORY or His-story remembers in rememberence annually the WORLD WARS that their melanin recessive POWER ELITE instigated, orchestrated and initiated not once but twice, culling up to 105 million mostly white people like vermin. Think about that.

*HISTORY or His-story narrates the imperialism and empires of the whiteman which colonized and enslaved BILLIONS of black or brown people, creating the profoundly warped paradigm still causing so much GRIEF [especially within the unreal nations of Africa and the partitioning of India] worldwide today. Think about that.

After thinking about it, may it be overstood who or what has the most violent nature out of all the races on earth and is not fit to give moral authority or be the world police judge and jury for any of us.

Especially as we are now in the process of reclaiming our most high given rights of controlling our own destiny aspiring to achieve real self'determination in both the African Diaspora and Africa.

WAKE UP !

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
 

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[QUOTE="dattaswami1, post: 1020806, member: 8803"
The revenge against sin belongs to the administration of God and not to the soul since God says “Revenge is Mine”.

One shall not criticize the injustice here due to lack of omniscience.

[You shall not argue that if the omnipotent God is supporting justice, in this creation why so much injustice exists? The reason is that you are not omniscient to observe all the background of each soul to decide which is justice and which is injustice.

With very limited observation of any soul, you can’t decide that this soul is good subjected to punishment and this soul is bad blessed by good fruits. When you observe a criminal being hanged to death, you sympathize him since you have not witnessed his previous crime.

A good person might have been punished by a bad person for the crime done by the former to the latter previously in this birth or in the past birth. After this incident, a good person receives good fruits and bad person receives bad fruits in course of time for their respective deeds. If the good person revenges against the bad person, everlasting chain results.

If one leaves revenge to God, the effected person will be highly compensated by God for his patience. If the sinner in previous birth is punished now, there is no place of revenge since the story ended there.

You should not think that in this case God keeps silent in punishing the sin. Otherwise, if the sin is fresh and if the effected party keeps patient without revenge, the effected party is enormously compensated by God and the sinner is also enormously punished.
Of course, God gives long time for the sinner to reform himself/herself and this delay is not to be misunderstood as defect of God. If the sinner is reformed, God will not punish him and the effected party shall not feel that injustice is done to it.

If the sinner is punished, in what way the effected party is compensated? To feel that the punishment of enemy alone is the compensation of the effected party, it shows only foolishness. Hence, the administration of God is always perfect supporting justice, destroying injustice by punishment if the criminal is not reformed and compensating profusely the non-revenging effected party.

Draupadi was revengeful to punish Kauravas. Anyway, God Krishna is going to punish bad Kauravas for their fresh sin done towards good Draupadi. For the unnecessary revenge of Draupadi, God punished her by getting all her sons killed.

The understanding of the background of justice, injustice, profuse compensation for revengeless party and punishment for revengeful attitude will make you not to unnecessarily scold the world created by God. The revenge against sin belongs to the administration of God and not to the soul since God says “Revenge is Mine”.

Patience of the effected party shall not be treated as inefficiency, which is going to give million times more punishment to the sinner, if the sinner is not reformed. This must be noted well by all sinners harming good people. If the administration is wrongly criticized, administrator is hurt.

If the book is falsely criticized, the author is hurt. You must realize your limitation of knowledge before criticizing the creation of God.]

Generally, people think that helping others is good and harming others is bad. The authority for this concept is “Paropakaarahpunyaaya, paapaayaparapidanam”. Here, the word ‘para’ means others as well as good people. We shall take the second meaning only here.

Hence, it means that helping good people is for good fruit and harming good people is for bad fruit. Jesus did not harm the people, who harmed Him and by this, you shall not take the concept as that one should not harm others including bad people. The context of Jesus was totally different. By such patient nature exhibited, He wanted that the cruel hearts of sinners shall melt and get reformed. If bad people are not punished, fear will not be there, which, at least, gives temporary reformation! When you are harming somebody, you can’t be the judge being the party. A neutral person, who is scholar of ethical scriptures, shall be the judge (alukshaahdharmakaamaah - Veda).

By revenge, your loss is not compensated at all. If you leave revenge to God, He will certainly compensate your loss. God looks to be silent against whom you want to revenge. For His silence, the reason is:- You might have harmed him previously or in the previous birth and your damage by him will end the story of action and reaction or God may be giving some time to him to transform before punishing him.

You should not worry that he might escape punishment through becoming reformed. What is the loss for you if he is not punished since God already compensated your loss for your patience! If you have revengeful attitude to him, you are separately punished for your revenge. Draupadi and Subhadra were having revengeful attitude towards Kauravas, for which, both were punished by the loss of their children. Uttara left the revenge to God and hence, her issue (Parikshit) was protected and was made as the King.

Without understanding the background of the doctrine of deeds, don’t criticize God with impatience and earn a fresh sin that gives an additional punishment. Always think that God is omniscient and omnipotent and hence, His administration will never have even a hair split flaw.

If injustice wins it is a blame to the administration of God

People do not have patience in this world to get justice. If injustice wins it is a blame to the administration of God only and therefore one need not worry about this. God will take care of the justice and he is capable of protecting the justice even in the last fraction of second by turning the tables round. For us even to turn a physical table hours are consumed. But you should remember that the justice is decided by God who is aware of all the births of the soul (Bahuni me…Gita) and all the previous deeds. He is aware of the internal bad soul, which may be hidden, in a human body with innocent external nature. Abhimanyu was a very innocent boy but he was a cruel demon hidden in the body. Krishna knows it and so got him killed.

You will blame Krishna for the injustice in getting Abhimanu killed in the war. Therefore, you cannot be the judge to give the judgment with limited knowledge of the present birth and with the ignorance of internal structure of the soul.

Never aspire for revenge of sin done to you by others

[You shall never aspire for the revenge of sin done to you by others because such revenge will not compensate your loss. If you leave revenge to God and be patient, your loss will be terribly compensated by God as a gift for your patience. He may not punish your enemy, if it is the case of retort from your enemy for your previous sin done to him. Even if your enemy is sinful, God may give some time for reformation of the soul. In any case, your patience will pay you the best always.

If you have the attitude of revenge, you will be punished for it separately like Draupadi, who lost her sons for her revengeful attitude in provoking her husbands for war. However, if you are participating in a dispute without being connected to any party, you will do the justice by fight since you are not selfish. Even then, since you are not aware of the background, you must take the advice of a divine personality. But, if you are the party, you shall not be the judge to decide the action since you are sure to be affected by prejudice.]

Injustice winning in this world? Never!

Shri Partha Sarathi (USA) asked Swami about his financial loss continuously due to the victory of injustice in this world.

Swami replied: The injustice will never win because if it happens so in this divine rule of God, it is only blame to His administration. With the limited knowledge of this birth, you cannot decide the justice. In view of all the previous births and the deeds in the previous births, God gives judgment, which is perfectly justified in the wide range of all the previous births. If you criticize God, God will leave you with the due justice as per the cycle of deeds. If you are a devotee of God, God will compensate your financial loss through some other way at a later date.

If you are wasting the present time in worry, the compensation of finance may be done but you cannot have the compensation of the lost past time. Hence, you should take the help of the spiritual knowledge and try to be happy even in the misery so that you will not loose both time as well as money.

If you are worried, you cannot concentrate on God and your devotion also becomes week and your financial compensation in the future also gets correspondingly reduced. Therefore, you must be brave in the troubles without any worry and maintain the concentrated devotion to God.

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/QUOTE] ROFL

Dataswarmi, aren’t you familiar with the Jewish HOLOCAUST, the malevolently EVIL manner in which at least 6 million European Jews were exterminated like vermin by German NAZIS during White on White World War II; that the Jews have vowed to never ever forget despite the reparations that they’ve received?

In that context doesn’t the over 300 years of African chattel enslavement by Europeans that literally ripped the heart out of Africa, cost at least 50 million lives, and the just as malevolent colonial onslaught it so seamlessly morphed into without apology or reparation to date, represent the AFRICAN HOLOCAUST; which is still ongoing in the 21st century, in fact, wouldn’t a genuine cessation of hostilities in every area of human activity be a start?


Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?

https://youtu.be/ItHbLahuPBw
 

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Do oppressors of people want to be forgiven? If so, who are they asking forgiveness from? ADOS?

The only people I see who are quick to "forgive" are Black people and I have to ask, why?

Someone kills a loved one and Black people stand in the courts claiming to forgive them. Really? Why? To relieve the killer of guilt? Take the weight off of their shoulders? So they don't have to take responsibility for what they did? You don't have to hate them, but you don't have to forgive them either.

People should be held accountable for the choices they make. Why should I try to intervene in the universal design to minimize or eliminate the consequences of people's actions? I don't need nor do I seek any apologies for the cruel treatment done to Black people by unjust and racist people. So thanks, Bill Clinton, but no thanks. In my opinion, anyone who participated in and profited from the slave trade should get what they are due. It's called karma.

I think people can heal even when they don't forgive of such things as cold blooded murder, rape and slavery.

Anger is a necessary stage of grieving. It allows for a connection, for something to hold on to so that you don't feel a sense of abandonment and loss.

“Anger is a necessary stage of the healing process. Be willing to feel your anger, even though it may seem endless. The more you truly feel it, the more it will begin to dissipate and the more you will heal.”

Grief Quote by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and David Kessler

Why deny this necessary healing emotion or pretend that it's something bad?

If we change our way of thinking on this, we'll be just fine.


 

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