Black People : folks Without insurance will be able to shop at a health care exchange(??)

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    Putney Swope Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Yes that's right you can now have the goldenopportunity to shop at a health care exchange, if you do not have health insurance or can't afford it, that's right! so hurry now so you wont be called a socialist like in those nations were folks pay zero.


    from the president of the United States
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    Now, if you're one of the tens of millions of Americans who don't currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers."
    WHAAATTT?????
    (was that a quote from Obama or Reagan???)

    see it for yourself, you can't make this stuff up

    NO PUBLIC OPTION?????????

    NO PUBLIC HEALTHCARE?????

    NO SINGLE PAYER??????

    WHAT REFORM?????

    So for those who do not have health insurance(can't afford it)
    he will let the HMOs make a new "shopping mall" just for them!

    this is no compromise just a sellout to the white radical supremists that were piad to heckle him , by the HMOS, while the HMOs bought hookers and drugs for the congress

    the video and full text of the speech
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/10/us/politics/20090910-obama-health.html#
     
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    Putney Swope Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Universal health care works all over the planet

    and that means the entire citizenry gets it, but here not even those ho cannot afford health care are unable to recieve it?
     
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    "Now, if you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans who don’t currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage.

    We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange

    – a marketplace

    where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices.
    Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because

    it lets them compete for millions of new customers.

    As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large companies and government employees get affordable insurance. It’s how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it’s time to give every American the same opportunity that we’ve given ourselves. "


    For those individuals and small businesses

    who still cannot afford the lower-priced insurance available in the exchange, we will provide tax credits, the size of which will be based on your need. And all insurance companies that want access to this new marketplace will have to abide by the consumer protections I already mentioned. This exchange will take effect in four years, which will give us time to do it right. In the meantime, for those Americans who can’t get insurance today because they have pre-existing medical conditions, we will immediately offer low-cost coverage that will protect you against financial ruin if you become seriously ill. This was a good idea when Senator John McCain proposed it in the campaign, it’s a good idea now, and we should embrace it.


    Now, even if we provide these affordable options, there may be those – particularly the young and healthy – who still want to take the risk and go without coverage. There may still be companies that refuse to do right by their workers. The problem is, such irresponsible behavior costs all the rest of us money. If there are affordable options and people still don’t sign up for health insurance, it means we pay for those people’s expensive emergency room visits. If some businesses don’t provide workers health care, it forces the rest of us to pick up the tab when their workers get sick, and gives those businesses an unfair advantage over their competitors. And unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek – especially requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions – just can’t be achieved.

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    that was the president's statement

    the present statistics are this;FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    THURSDAY, SEPT. 10, 2009

    Public Information Office
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    Media kit / Report [PDF]
    Income data
    Poverty data
    Health insurance coverage data
    Downloadable Video Sound Bites


    INCOME, POVERTY AND HEALTH INSURANCE
    COVERAGE IN THE UNITED STATES: 2008

    The U.S. Census Bureau announced today that real median household income in the United States fell 3.6 percent between 2007 and 2008, from $52,163 to $50,303. This breaks a string of three years of annual income increases and coincides with the recession that started in December 2007.

    The nation’s official poverty rate in 2008 was 13.2 percent, up from 12.5 percent in 2007. There were 39.8 million people in poverty in 2008, up from 37.3 million in 2007.

    Meanwhile, the number of people without health insurance coverage rose from 45.7 million in 2007 to 46.3 million in 2008, while the percentage remained unchanged at 15.4 percent.

    These findings are contained in the report Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2008. The following results for the nation were compiled from information collected in the 2009 Current Population Survey (CPS) Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC):

    Now I realy don't think that these folks are simply sitting around with money that they don't want to spend on health insurance.

    So if the poverty rate is so high and the number of those without insurance is close to 50 milion people, why avoid the single payer system and why not provide a public option or just national health care, or as the president's former doctor stated Medicare for the entire group?

    Why does the concern seem to be about isuring the profit margin and bigger contracts for the HMOs that have caused the problem in the first place?


    from the president;

    Insurance executives don’t do this because they are bad people. They do it because it’s profitable. As one former insurance executive testified before Congress, insurance companies are not only encouraged to find reasons to drop the seriously ill; they are rewarded for it. All of this is in service of meeting what this former executive called “Wall Street’s relentless profit expectations.”


    Now, I have no interest in putting insurance companies out of business. They provide a legitimate service,
    and employ a lot of our friends and neighbors. I just want to hold them accountable. The insurance reforms that I’ve already mentioned would do just that. But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange. Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5% of Americans would sign up.

    public option for 5% of Americans.

    but the HMOs are still there to rake up as middle man, which means a higher cost to the tax payer then if the single payer system was there.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/27/can_us_achieve_meaningful_health_care

    DR. DAVID HIMMELSTEIN: Well, what we’re hearing is that they’re going to do something like what we have here in Massachusetts, which keeps the private insurance companies right in the middle of the healthcare system, and it can’t work. Basically, you throw away so much money on profit in the bureaucratic waste of the insurance industry and the bureaucratic waste they inflict on doctors and patients in the hospitals that you can’t afford decent care for the American people if you do it that way. And we’re hearing that they’re not really ready to challenge the insurance industry head on. That’s the only way you can make the health system work.

    Dr. David Himmelstein, associate professor of medicine at Harvard University and the co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program.
     
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    Populist Says Healthcare Debate A Ruse to Cover Corporate Welfare

    FORGET ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU HAVE READ on so-called healthcare reform, says Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio). The purported uproar over private versus public health insurance options is really a ruse to cover up a proposal for taxpayer-funded subsidies that will be paid to the billion- dollar private insurance industry.

    Under new “compromise” language inserted into the 1,000-page health care bill, titled the “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009” (H.R. 3200), Americans will be forced to choose which for profit
    health insurance company they want to take. If you can’t afford any of the private health insurance plans, the government will pick one for you and then front you the money. But the catch is: you will still be obligated to pay all of the premiums, the co-pays and the high deductibles.

    “The hotly debated H.R. 3200, the so called ‘healthcare reform’ bill, is nothing less than corporate welfare in the guise of social welfare and reform,” said Kucinich.

    The public option will be gone, he said, leaving only government aid to private insurance companies. Worse still, the federal government will force taxpayers to pay for it all without pressing for cost controls and no guarantees of coverage from any of the participating private insurers.

    full article;
    http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/corporate_welfare_192.html
     
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